” to think a being created this one earth in the billions of other galaxies and made everything for the purpose of a couple billion Christians or 6.8 (and rising) humans is again arrogant …but to say something is not disproven does not make it any more valid than a faith based claim.”

“Arrogance” if proven untrue. You seem to assume your position is not “a faith based claim”. It is!

“Religion (sic) noun. Belief that is not proven that there is an imaginary being that created everything from nothing and only speaks to “special” people.”

Is this an actual definition or did you make this up? BTW, I am not defending religion. Get that out of your head! Institutional religion, in it’s varied forms, has committed more atrocities than any other institution I can think of! Jesus did not create a religion. As a matter of fact, His death doomed the very religion of the Jews.

”and lets face it stats are a great indicator whether something is possible or not,”

Whether something is possible is not a good indicator if something is true. Many things are “impossible”, and yet happen. Try to focus friend! You seem to ramble and use a “shotgun” approach. It is difficult to follow your train of thought sometimes.

Many of the issues you bring up are repeats of previous comments. It seems you are struggling, not with information/data/knowledge, but with your will. You WILL NOT allow anything to disturb your world. You understand that if there is a God, (and His name is Jesus) He has a claim on your life and this is unacceptable to you. But if there is a God, He will not go away!

As a matter of fact, He may just die for you! If that is true…

With this last discussion, we dropped communicating.

I can’t remember exactly why, but I hope my friend considers who the Lord is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.  Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

“you do not understand this whole god thing right?“

No, I do not understand this whole God thing – that is true! He is God and I am not!

“do you know how it does things?”

No, I do not know how He does everything!

“how things are created? “

No, I do not know how things are created!

“no mind can systematically remember every detail without rethinking about a certain aspect of it and revamping or downgrading it.”

This is relatively true, but the issue with the gospels, as I mentioned previously, is the promise of Jesus to bring “all things to remembrance” for the apostles when they would need it.

With your rejection of Jesus as God Almighty, you simply live on a naturalistic plane.

You have great faith!

”What is hypothetical about being born in Norway or India?”

Being born in Norway or India is hypothetical to me, since I was born in Canada, and I can not speak for those born in India or Norway.

But I can speak about being born in a non-Christian country, in a non-Christian home, and the similarities are enough to answer your complaint, (IF you want it answered, but alas, I think you do not want answers!)

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

“As far as statistics go atheism/non-theism is on the rise…why?”

I tried to find where atheism is growing and I am afraid that the growth of atheism is due to categorical confusion. It seems that terms such as atheism, agnostic, non-believers, non-religious and the such seem to be conveniently combined together, and each group benefits from the other groups population.

“To say Noah lived to beyond 500 years is ludicrous in any sane persons mind.”

The scriptures (Old Testament book of Genesis) states that Noah lived 950 yrs. I believe this is true, since Jesus quoted the book of Genesis as historical fact. (BTW, your “science based” determinations are founded on Charles Lyells uniformitarianism doctrine, which states that all natural processes that operate now, have always operated in like manner in the past. How can you make this assumption? Have you tested this belief? (How could you?) Can you claim this to be a fact?)

”Unlikely does not set an absolute but to say anything is absolute is just arrogant! “

Are you absolutely sure?

“unless it is proven with again systematic testing and repeatable testing such as dating methods which are proven by repeatable tests.”

It may be interesting for you to consider all the data. Recently, within the last decade or so, testing on Polonium Radio halos have displayed data (from repeatable testing procedures!) that may be of interest to you. I will let you do the research, if you are interested in additional data. (After all, you are a science based person, and data is the “coin” we need to make informed decisions with, right?)

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

It has been a while since I have had a chance to get back to you. Going on vacation for a week just meant I had two weeks of work to do in one week! (Makes you wonder if a vacation is worth it! Haha)

On to my response to each of your earlier statements.

”woman was not made from a rib…but evolved through natural selection).”

Your assumption! You stated earlier that non repeatable events cannot be proven, therefore according to your own standards, you have to admit that the previous statement is an assumption that is based on your faith!

“how many people back then could read and write “

As a matter of fact, all young Jewish boys were trained in reading and writing in the first century.

“You actually believe people are lost (I have no clue in what context).“

You actually believe there is no God? This is an untenable position that you have admitted to previously, where I stated that to be an atheist, you have to prove a universal negative, and therefore be required to be omniscient (all- knowing), but then you would actually be God. (And then you would have to believe in yourself, right, which would be kind strange, eh?) BTW, I do believe that Jesus’ mission was to “save the lost” – It is what He said, but then you and I have different views on the historicity of Jesus life and death.

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

Again validity- well-grounded (false) on principles or evidence (false), see criticism is based on the evidence…everything has laws that are followed (woman was not made from a rib…but evolved through natural selection).

They might be …a reiteration of something that happened but so are other books that are written and exaggerated…how many people back then could read and write and also be able to try and decipher other writings that were found and out it into context for their own purposes. This is probably why so many religions have many things in common…it’s not just Christianity but of course you have to destroy or convert anyone who does not believe in your god….you actually believe people are lost (i have no clue in what context).

Still standing? really? As far as statistics go atheism/non-theism is on the rise…why?maybe education…or lack of proof…or just the slightest glance at the past and wars and how much death and hatred have spawned from religious crusades.

Honestly as a science based person I will believe in anything as long as it follows some principles of reality and follow laws such as those that are upon us. To say Noah lived to beyond 500 years is ludicrous in any sane persons mind.

Unlikely does not set an absolute but to say anything is absolute is just arrogant! (such as god)! unless it is proven with again systematic testing and repeatable testing such as dating methods which are proven by repeatable tests. Those specific life spans that have been written down are not proven either correct? and they can not be disproved, but to side with something you have to be completely FAITHFUL in is also being “lost”, no?because you do not understand this whole god thing right? do you know how it does things? how things are created? except from some writings that were written down by hominids….or you can talk to people in todays time with repeatable observations and testing that basically shows the bible as great thought out stories…

The bible is made of stories- (an account of imaginary or real events told for entertainment or explanations) and explanations in those times were in short fall so what did people do? make an account of things that happened that would never happen again so they could be “special”. and they did believe in ghosts/spirits…angels or the ghost of “jebus”…seriously need i say more? When people got sick or died because of unknown reasons what happened? they needed answers much like some people need today…hence religion. How about a virgin birth? or just a whore or getting raped by psychologically unstable individuals? i don’t know personally but from what we know about genetics this is not even remotely even considered possible…well maybe a hermaphrodite….

As for the writing things down right away, why do you think police officers have to carry a pad around with them? because no mind can systematically remember every detail without rethinking about a certain aspect of it and revamping or downgrading it. Many studies have gone into this to show how ridiculous it is to take into account a victim in a court case…what has worked? DNA confirmation!

What is hypothetical about being born in Norway or India? people did/do all the time…things are born all the time…it is not hypothetical and the people who are introduced to certain social norms such as religion are usually taken in with the social acceptance theory. People change religions and are either atheist towards one or more gods depending on what social cult you follow. Richard Dawkins does a good job of showing how the secular way of thinking works by asking these questions because that is exactly what religious fanatics do as well and god’s creation (sic) is erroneous beyond anything, to think a being created this one earth in the billions of other galaxies and made everything for the purpose of a couple billion Christians or 6.8 (and rising) humans is again arrogant …but to say something is not disproved does not make it any more valid than a faith based claim.

What i found funny is that you used sic to exemplify you belief that Dr.Dawkins is erroneous…but everything about religion is erroneous, corrupt, pedophiliac,etc ….you take your pick. Religion (sic) noun. Belief that is not proven that there is an imaginary being that created everything from nothing and only speaks to “special” people.

Interesting to see that we are considered a pagan country but also doesn’t surprise me either because of immigration and how we seem to accommodate all religions so there isn’t one single extremely large religion…but as we are “americanized” i would also say that we are predominantly a Judaeo-Christian society. Real evidence is not really conceivable at younger ages since it takes blocks of learning to build up to learn how certain aspects of reality work (genetics, psychology, physics, etc) but your claim that you were not introduced to any religion and that you had time to learn the errors of different scriptures or different religions still holds no bar since it’s a N=1 which has absolutely no statistical strength…and lets face it stats are a great indicator whether something is possible or not, and yes i know my claim is empty as well but that does not make you any more correct than myself of your experiences and the effect it could possibly have on other people, the fact is that we are all human with slight variation and can copulate with one another demonstrating that we are genetically similar enough to be from the same genetic ancestry…we should all be critically thinking about how things are and why, this would give us a better understanding on why we have segregated our cultures so much to believe that some of us are good “in-group” or bad “out-group”.

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

Have a great day.

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.

Have a great day.

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.