Atheism, Christianity

Discussions with an Atheist – Part 15

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A long time ago, I was browsing my Facebook page when I came across a post that ridiculed Kirk Cameron’s efforts to sell an “Atheist” Bible.
A friend (who it turns out to be an atheist) seemed to think that Kirk was “uninformed”
Well I thought, lets discuss this issue, and what follows is a record of our discussion.
I really looked forward to his responses and enjoyed considering and responding to his concerns.
Some of my friends comments are a bit lengthy, and as I read them I found echoes of myself, seeking to defend a position simply by supplying a massive quantity of words, knowing inside that he quality of the argument was weak.
If you are a believer in the Lord Jesus, you may find encouragement, and some understanding of an atheist’s worldview.
If you are an atheist, I would encourage you to read and consider my responses.  I seek to understand your position, and if you see a fallacy in my thinking, please comment.  I only ask that you focus your position to one point at a time, in order that I may respond (if I can) without unnecessary confusion.
My comments and responses are in red.
This post, like Part 10, is supplying my friends complete message, in order to give you context for my responses within the following posts.

Again validity- well-grounded (false) on principles or evidence (false), see criticism is based on the evidence…everything has laws that are followed (woman was not made from a rib…but evolved through natural selection).

They might be …a reiteration of something that happened but so are other books that are written and exaggerated…how many people back then could read and write and also be able to try and decipher other writings that were found and out it into context for their own purposes. This is probably why so many religions have many things in common…it’s not just Christianity but of course you have to destroy or convert anyone who does not believe in your god….you actually believe people are lost (i have no clue in what context).

Still standing? really? As far as statistics go atheism/non-theism is on the rise…why?maybe education…or lack of proof…or just the slightest glance at the past and wars and how much death and hatred have spawned from religious crusades.

Honestly as a science based person I will believe in anything as long as it follows some principles of reality and follow laws such as those that are upon us. To say Noah lived to beyond 500 years is ludicrous in any sane persons mind.

Unlikely does not set an absolute but to say anything is absolute is just arrogant! (such as god)! unless it is proven with again systematic testing and repeatable testing such as dating methods which are proven by repeatable tests. Those specific life spans that have been written down are not proven either correct? and they can not be disproved, but to side with something you have to be completely FAITHFUL in is also being “lost”, no?because you do not understand this whole god thing right? do you know how it does things? how things are created? except from some writings that were written down by hominids….or you can talk to people in todays time with repeatable observations and testing that basically shows the bible as great thought out stories…

The bible is made of stories- (an account of imaginary or real events told for entertainment or explanations) and explanations in those times were in short fall so what did people do? make an account of things that happened that would never happen again so they could be “special”. and they did believe in ghosts/spirits…angels or the ghost of “jebus”…seriously need i say more? When people got sick or died because of unknown reasons what happened? they needed answers much like some people need today…hence religion. How about a virgin birth? or just a whore or getting raped by psychologically unstable individuals? i don’t know personally but from what we know about genetics this is not even remotely even considered possible…well maybe a hermaphrodite….

As for the writing things down right away, why do you think police officers have to carry a pad around with them? because no mind can systematically remember every detail without rethinking about a certain aspect of it and revamping or downgrading it. Many studies have gone into this to show how ridiculous it is to take into account a victim in a court case…what has worked? DNA confirmation!

What is hypothetical about being born in Norway or India? people did/do all the time…things are born all the time…it is not hypothetical and the people who are introduced to certain social norms such as religion are usually taken in with the social acceptance theory. People change religions and are either atheist towards one or more gods depending on what social cult you follow. Richard Dawkins does a good job of showing how the secular way of thinking works by asking these questions because that is exactly what religious fanatics do as well and god’s creation (sic) is erroneous beyond anything, to think a being created this one earth in the billions of other galaxies and made everything for the purpose of a couple billion Christians or 6.8 (and rising) humans is again arrogant …but to say something is not disproved does not make it any more valid than a faith based claim.

What i found funny is that you used sic to exemplify you belief that Dr.Dawkins is erroneous…but everything about religion is erroneous, corrupt, pedophiliac,etc ….you take your pick. Religion (sic) noun. Belief that is not proven that there is an imaginary being that created everything from nothing and only speaks to “special” people.

Interesting to see that we are considered a pagan country but also doesn’t surprise me either because of immigration and how we seem to accommodate all religions so there isn’t one single extremely large religion…but as we are “americanized” i would also say that we are predominantly a Judaeo-Christian society. Real evidence is not really conceivable at younger ages since it takes blocks of learning to build up to learn how certain aspects of reality work (genetics, psychology, physics, etc) but your claim that you were not introduced to any religion and that you had time to learn the errors of different scriptures or different religions still holds no bar since it’s a N=1 which has absolutely no statistical strength…and lets face it stats are a great indicator whether something is possible or not, and yes i know my claim is empty as well but that does not make you any more correct than myself of your experiences and the effect it could possibly have on other people, the fact is that we are all human with slight variation and can copulate with one another demonstrating that we are genetically similar enough to be from the same genetic ancestry…we should all be critically thinking about how things are and why, this would give us a better understanding on why we have segregated our cultures so much to believe that some of us are good “in-group” or bad “out-group”.


Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.


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