OT in NT – Titus

old_testament_law-450x300.jpg?format=originalHow did Jesus and the apostles interpret the Old Testament?

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Chatting with a Dispy – 16

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

That means they are prophecies, prophetic, rehearsals, they teach us prophecy!  That’s why I know so much about the prophetic things that you are asking, because I’ve studied the feasts, and their meaning, and so, I understand scripture in ways that you do not.

You are correct there – Many things you have said escape me – You seem to link passages together without any justification other than one word, and have the confidence that your interpretation is unassailable.

I do live by faith.  Faith is an action verb in the bible, not a “non action belief” as the thought is in the west.  My actions are clearly evident, in my business, and in my prophecy website.

(Didn’t you just confess to defrauding someone?  But that is neither here nor there – )

As for symbols, if Jesus is a person, and if we will all see him “face to face”, how will that be possible if there are billions of people?  Would he not, at some point, tell people to go home, and get to work?  And at those times, the people will have reminders around them, as Zech says, the pots and pans will be inscribed “holy to the Lord”.

Do you/they not have the Holy Spirit?  Do you/they need “pots and pans” to supplement your/thier relationship with the Lord?

Yes, I do apply Isa 65 to the millennium.  The refreshed earth is a fitting description of the future millennium.

I am glad to hear that you admit to applying a scripture that specifically states one thing (the new heavens and new earth) and you are using it to describe a completely different time period (a 1000 yr period prior to the new earth and new heavens).  That is your decision, but do not tell me that you are faithful to the Word of God at the same time.

How does 2 Thess 1:8 fit in?  Very well with 1 Thess 5,

HOW?

which refers to Ezekiel 38-39,

Where does 1 Thess 5 (entire chapter?) refer to Ezekiel 38-39?

which also describes a time of 7 years.

Ezekiel 39:9
And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

This is the only verse that refers to seven years in Ez 38-39.  How does burning weapons (I assume wooden weapons, since they burn), have anything to do with the coming of the Lord in flaming fire?

And why do you choose seven years, when just a few verses later, seven months are referred to?

Ezekiel 39:12
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 39:14
And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

Too many loose ends Brother!

At the time of the rapture, God will rain fire down to destroy the enemies attacking Israel from the North.

I think you mean at the time of the Second Coming, God will rain fire down…., right?

If that is what you mean, and you are associating the 7 years of weapons burning with the Second Coming, then the first 7 years of the Millenium will have fields of weapons burning? Or is it during the entire tribulation that the weapons are burning?  If so, the rapture and the attack you see in Ezekiel on Israel happens at the same time?

Not every wicked person on earth attacks Israel at this time, so there are plenty of wicked people left over to enter the tribulation, and from them, “survivors”, too.

RE:  If those worthy are taken up at the rapture, and when the Lord comes back, all that know not God will be consumed, who is left? The text does not say “all”.

Granted!  Does it need to?  Two types of people are in the world – those who know God and those who do not know God.  (Is there a third type of person?)  I assume in your thinking, that there are two types of wicked people, those who are attacking Israel, and those who are not attacking Israel.  Is there a passage that clearly describes these two wicked groups and their distinction from one another?

It says “them that know not God”.  Obviously, if they did know God, they would not be attacking Jerusalem, of which we are commanded to pray for the peace of.


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OT in NT – 2 Timothy

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Chatting with a Dispy – 15

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

You can look at Colossians 2 in another way, why are you judging me for saying that the Feasts of the Lord are important? Are you not judging me in regard to the new moon, when you should not do so?  I refuse to let you judge me, so there!

I think you are having fun with me here, and that is great, but in case you took offense….

Why would you refuse rebuke?  As Christians, we should look for the Lord to be using His Word through other believers to mold and transform us into His image.  I am sure you want that for your life and refusing the Word is not a wise position to be in.

As a matter of fact, we are to judge those within the church!  1 Corinthians 5:12 states that Christians are not to judge those outside the church, but those inside the church.  (It seems we get that backwards very often!)

1 Corinthians 5:11-13

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

(BTW – I only brought up Col 2:16 to show that the feasts were of no importance.   I really didn’t intend any judgment on your beliefs, but since you reacted so strongly, you might consider the passage again! )

And yes, they are shadows of things to come!

Check your verb tense in the verse you are referring to.  I think you may be referring to one or both of the following texts

Heb 10:1

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Heb. 10:1)

Col 2:16 – 17

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

The previous verse are declaring the law (generally) (Heb 10:1) or the dietary regulations and religious observance of certain days (Col 2:16) as shadows of things to come.  Consider that the law was given millennia prior to the cross, and at that time, were prophetic of the time of the Messiah.

If that is so, then the feasts were prophetic to the nation of Israel, beginning in the time of Moses.

The seven feasts are:

  • Passover – Nisan 14-15
  • Unleavened Bread – Nisan 15-22
  • First Fruits – Nisan 16-17
  • Pentecost – Sivan 6-7
  • Trumpets – Tishri 1
  • Atonement – Tishri 10
  • Tabernacles – Tishri 15-22

The Passover feast is fulfilled in the crucifixion

1 Corinthians 5: 6-8

Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?  Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth

The Feast of unleavened bread seems to be implied in the above passage also, and is fulfilled as we live in sincerity and truth.

The Feast of the First Fruits seems to be implied as being fulfilled in many references to Christ being the firstfruits, or the early Christians as being “firstfruits”

Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Romans 16:5
Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits ·of Achaia unto Christ. 

1 Corinthians 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

1 Corinthians 16:15
I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

James 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Revelation 14:4

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

(As an aside – it is interesting that those described in Revelation, which I think you would identify with trib saints, are firstfruits, not last fruits!)

The day of Pentecost is a completed prophecy (Acts 2)

I do not know of any other statements in the New Testament that directly links a feast to a fulfillment.  Of course there are references to “trumpets” and any linking with the feast of trumpets is arbitrary to say the least since the scriptures do not specify any historical event.  The same goes for the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles.  (I would think the day of atonement might be associated with the crucifixion also, but that is merely guess work on my part. (and we do not want to guess!!!)


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OT in NT – 1 Timothy

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Chatting with a Dispy – 14

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

As for the feasts, we have freedom to observe them or not, according to my limited understanding, but perhaps when the Lord returns, that liberty will be eliminated, as Zech 14 clearly teaches.

But you see, Zech does not clearly teach that we have liberty to observe the feasts now!  Where do you get the idea that as Christians, we are to observe the feasts?

Galatians 4:9-11

But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?  You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Obviously Paul was making a point that the Galations were observing OT holidays (calling them weak and beggarly!), and due to this, Paul considered these actions to be proof that they didn’t “get the gospel”

Will you argue with God?

I have found that I struggle with many issues in the Word, and I find that many times some of the OT prophets struggled, even argued with God, and found clarity after a period of struggle and questioning. (Consider Jer 12:1-2)

Jeremiah 12:1-4

 Righteous are You, O LORD, when I plead with You;
Yet let me talk with You about Your judgments.
Why does the way of the wicked prosper?
Why are those happy who deal so treacherously?
You have planted them, yes, they have taken root;
They grow, yes, they bear fruit.
You are near in their mouth
But far from their mind.
But You, O LORD, know me;
You have seen me,
And You have tested my heart toward You.
Pull them out like sheep for the slaughter,
And prepare them for the day of slaughter.
How long will the land mourn,
And the herbs of every field wither?
The beasts and birds are consumed,
For the wickedness of those who dwell there,
Because they said, “He will not see our final end.”

So, I have to admit, I have sometimes argued with God!  Have you never questioned or been puzzled by issues that are troubling in the Word?

I will argue that you, if you live during that time, and don’t observe the feasts, and travel to Jerusalem, Zechariah will be proved right, and you will be proved wrong, and upon you will be no rain, because later, the Bible says that all scripture is inspired of God, and there sits Zechariah, challenging our understanding.

According to your own teaching, I will not be on the earth at this time.  You still are thinking this is the end of the tribulation, right?  And you are a pre-tribber, right?  Since I am a Christian, according to your teaching, we will be raptured prior to the period of Zechariah 14, right?  So this is an empty arguement!


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OT in NT – 2 Thessalonians

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Chatting with a Dispy – 13

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

If you truly want to follow the Person of Jesus, you would pay attention to the Holy Spirit, which leads us into all truth, and you would gravitate towards the truths of the statements of the apostles of Jesus, who told us that we ought to:

  • to “exercise discernment” (Heb 5:14),
  • to “try the spirits” (1 John 4:1),
  • to “give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine” (1 Timothy 4:13),
  • to “meditate” and carefully think about the Word of God (1 Timothy 4:15),
  • to “study to show thyself approved unto God” (2 Timothy 2:15),
  • to demonstrate your honour as you “search out a matter” (Prov 25:2),
  • to show your nobility as you “search the scriptures daily” (Acts 17:11), and
  • to “grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18).

I agree wholeheartedly with the above statements, – I am unsure why you are bringing these items up, unless you feel I am in need of correction, of which, if that is the intent, I accept the rebuke.  (I would appreciate a specific issue that I need to address.)

If you are going to do all of that, there are quite a few concepts our Saviour wants you to get, such as the ten commandments,

Are you obedient to the ten commandments?

Search the scriptures Brother.  The New Testament tells me that Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth, and I need to pay attention to Him.  If He tells me to obey the ten commandments, I will seek to.  Show me in the new testament all ten commandments.  It is a very interesting study! (A bit frustrating if you are looking for all ten commandments, though!)

BTW, the ten commandments are not concepts, they are commandments!

and a lot more!

What else, other than the ten commandments, do you see as being a “concept” that Jesus wants me to get?  I need to know, in order to follow them.

I am curious what you consider to be the authoritative source for your life?  Are the ten commandments enough?  What about the sacrificial system and the ceremonial cleansing? Must I follow the commands of the Old Testament to be right with God?

If you don’t follow those, you cannot live in peace with your fellow man, and if you love God, and if you love your neighbor, you will follow them a lot more easily.

I am not sure your intent in saying the above?  If I love God and my neighbor, I am following all the commandments.

Matthew 22:37-41

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luke 10:26-28

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(what do you mean by “a lot more easily”?)

Please note, I still have trouble, because I don’t like defrauding my fellow man with paper money, but what can I do when they demand it?!

I am not sure what you are referring to?  Are you defrauding someone?  What can you do?  You need to obey Jesus!


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OT in NT – 1 Thessalonians

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Chatting with a Dispy – 12

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

Brother

Wow – a bit surprised by your comment.

I assumed that the cleansing of sin in Zech, due to your association of its description in the same context as the second coming of Jesus, would have the cleansing effect as described after the crucifixion, and not merely a ceremonial act. Hebrews mentions, not a ceremonial washing, but the actual sacrifices given in the old covenant, as being insufficient to “make the comers thereunto perfect”  If the sacrifices were not able, how much less a ceremonial washing?

Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

(It would seem foolhardy to return to a shadow when the body is present!)

During my drive home tonight from work I was thinking about the original verse under consideration in context – Zech 14:3-5 – which states

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Verse 5 states “and ye shall flee…”

Who is fleeing?  If this is the second coming, all the Lords enemies will be destroyed, all the saved will be with the Lord, and if the mountain is cleft from east to west, any bystanders (who would be left?) will be destroyed by the techonic action.

And what are they fleeing from?  Obviously, if this is the second coming, the lost will be destroyed, the saved will be with the Lord and who else is there?

Have a great weekend!


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OT in NT – Colossians

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Chatting with a Dispy – 11

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.  During this discussion, I fear my brother may have lost some focus on the questions at hand.  I will leave this to the reader.

Sin is often a misunderstood concept.  I know it can mean a range of things, from “missing the mark” to “debt”.  Can literal water cleanse that?  Also, many of the “do nots”, resulted in the condition of being “unclean” until washing in literal water, which did fix the uncleanness.

So, literal water was not a spiritual thing, but actual instructions for washing the physical flesh.

When a people decided to obey the Bible literally, say, in the USA about 100 years ago, and actually wash, diseases that had unknown causes began to go away, particularly infant sepsis.

See, doctors would open dead bodies doing autopsies, and then help mothers deliver babies, without washing, and moms and babies were dying at a rate of like 9%, which is high, and they did not know the source was dirty bacteria that could be eliminated simply by hand washing in water.

So, does literal water cleanse sin?  Often, YES!

Furthermore, are our waters impure?  Often, YES!

And this water is specifically stated that it is “for Jerusalem”, it is not “for the world” which it would be if it were some sort of spiritual water, therefore, I see it as literal.

Why would you have a problem with those waters being literal?

Didn’t God cause a literal stream of literal water to come from the rock that Moses struck?

Didn’t one of the prophets instruct a man to wash himself in the Jordan River 7 times to become clean, and even though the Jordan was not the cleanest river, still, it worked?

Sincerely,

Brother


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Questions I’ve been Asked – What Kingdom – Part 3?

kingdom-of-heaven-1 90.jpegkingdom-of-heaven-90.jpegQuite a while back we were enjoying a Bible study in our home, and a good brother came up with a teaching that I had never considered.

In a nut shell, he stated that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven were two different kingdoms.  Initially I considered this to be hair splitting, and not worth chasing, but he was adamant about the difference, stating that the message had to be understood with this difference.

Okay, since I welcome a topic to discuss, and to consider what the Bible is trying to teach me, I resolved to look into it for my brothers sake.  – Spenser – if you are out there, give me a call – it has been too lang since we spoke and I miss you brother.

For the next few posts, I will provide verses where the Master, in teaching of the Kingdom,  sometimes uses God and sometimes uses  Heaven as the modifier (in the same teaching).

Let’s continue with our third (and final) post to see if we can find  any obvious differences.

Teaching of the Kingdom – 7

Matthew 13:33

He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”

Luke 13:20, 21

And again he said, “To what shall I compare the kingdom of God?

It is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, until it was all leavened.”

Same measurement of flour, same person doing the mixing ( a woman!) and the same reference to leaven.  Wait – what?

Did you see what I just wrote.  Leaven is used in relation to the growth of the kingdom!  No that can’t be!

Time for a Rant (It’s been a while, eh?)

When I was a little bitty baby believer, I was taught that leaven represented sin in a person’s life.  The verses below were used to justify this teaching.

1 Corinthians 5:6-8

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

LeavenCleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Leaven, is used to represent boasting in verse 6.  In verse 8, the leaven is equated with malice and evil.  One characteristic of leaven is that it permeates any lump of dough (it doesn’t discriminate), and once it is introduced, it permeates the entire lump of dough.

The leaven isn’t related to any moral characteristic except contextually, but the purpose of using the leaven metaphor is to describe its ability to permeate any dough and all the dough.

What leaven has been introduced into your life?  Remember, any lump of dough, no matter how poor or rich, how righteous or vile, when the leaven enters, it will perform the work it was sent to do.

May the leaven be right!

End of rant – But now I have no other discussion to offer for the topic of this post in relation tho the set of verses supplied.

But, let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Teaching of the Kingdom – 8

Matthew 18:3

and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 10:14

Little childBut when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:16

But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.

Okay – maybe here there is something.  Regarding the kingdom of heaven, if the conditions aren’t met (that is to become like a child), one cannot enter it.  Not so with the kingdom of God.  The Kingdom of God belongs to those who are like children.

Is this a difference?

Matthew’s verse is describing a restriction to the kingdom.  Mark and Luke describe those to whom the Kingdom belongs.

Matthew speaks of a restriction.

Mark and Luke speak of a permission.

This may be the two sides of the same coin.

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Teaching of the Kingdom – 9

Matthew 22:2

“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son,

Luke 13:29

And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God.

Dang – I’m not seeing anything of difference in these verse either.  Golly Spenser, I wish you were here to guide me in seeing the differences, and to help me to see.  I suppose I have lived my Christian life so far without knowing the difference, and if the difference is critical, I ask that the Father in heaven would open my understanding.

But for the time being, I think I will no longer wait and see before we make up our minds – No – I think they are the same kingdom!

Epilogue

The kingdom of Heaven is spoken of 32 times in the New Testament.  Thirty two times Matthew uses this term.  No other author uses this term.

Might Matthew have been using “heaven” instead of “God” to placate the sensitivities of the Jewish audience he was writing to?

That may be, but a quick search let me know that is a short sighted solution.

Matthew uses the term “Kingdom of God” five times in his gospel to the Jews.

Matthew 6:33

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Matthew 12:28

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Matthew 19:24

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 21:31

Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you.

Matthew 21:43

Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits.

It is interesting to note that Matthew may have reserved the term “Kingdom of God” to strengthen his message, and possibly shock his readers.   (That consideration may be good fodder for another blog post.)
Of course all of this is conjecture since I won’t get a chance to discuss these thoughts with the apostle tonight.  But maybe some day I will bring it up when I see him.  Come to think of it, I’m thinking I’m gonna be distracted by the Greater Apostle at that point, and if there is a difference, I will rejoice in it!
Hope you enjoyed our little venture into the difference between these two terms.  Leave a comment to start a discussion.  I look forward to your thoughts.

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OT in NT – Philippians

old_testament_law-450x300.jpg?format=originalHow did Jesus and the apostles interpret the Old Testament?

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Questions I’ve been Asked – What Kingdom – Part 2?

kingdom-of-heaven-1 90.jpegkingdom-of-heaven-90.jpegQuite a while back we were enjoying a Bible study in our home, and a good brother came up with a teaching that I had never considered.

In a nut shell, he stated that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven were two different kingdoms.  Initially I considered this to be hair splitting, and not worth chasing, but he was adamant about the difference, stating that the message had to be understood with this difference.

Okay, since I welcome a topic to discuss, and to consider what the Bible is trying to teach me, I resolved to look into it for my brothers sake.  – Spenser – if you are out there, give me a call – it has been too lang since we spoke and I miss you brother.

For the next few posts, I will provide verses where the Master, in teaching of the Kingdom,  sometimes uses God and sometimes uses  Heaven as the modifier (in the same teaching).

Let’s continue with our second post to see if we can find  any obvious differences.

Teaching of the Kingdom – 4

Matthew 13:11

And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

mk-4-11 small.jpgMark 4:11

And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables,

Luke 8:10

he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’

Golly.  This one ain’t helping either.

I know – maybe there is some overlap in the two kingdoms and that could explain the exact same descriptions used for both kingdoms, even though they may have characteristics that are different in some other aspect.

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Teaching of the Kingdom – 5

Matthew 13:24

sowing-seed small.jpgHe put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field,

Mark 4:26

And he said, “The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground.

Difference – One time the farmer is sowing seed, the other time, the farmer is scattering seed.  At least with this set of verses, there is a difference in the message, but alas, it is a difference without distinction.

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Teaching of the Kingdom – 6

Matthew 13:31, 32

He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field.

It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is larger than all the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”

Mark 4:30 – 32

And he said, “With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable shall we use for it?

mustard-seed small.jpgIt is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when sown on the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth,

yet when it is sown it grows up and becomes larger than all the garden plants and puts out large branches, so that the birds of the air can make nests in its shade.”

Luke 13:18, 19

He said therefore, “What is the kingdom of God like? And to what shall I compare it?

It is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his garden, and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air made nests in its branches.”

Okay – so this is the parable of the mustard seed.  Not seeing anything jump out a me that will help differentiate between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God in this instance.

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Hopefully our next post will supply some answers, (or at least produce fewer questions)!
Hope to see you then.
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Chatting with a Dispy – 10

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.  During this discussion, I fear my brother may have lost some focus on the questions at hand.  I will leave this to the reader.

Brother

Thanks for such a quick response!  I am really enjoying our discussion!  Let us continue.

If you take the landing of Jesus literally, please consider this

Zech 13:1 states “a fountain will be opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for impurity”

If we understand the fountain literally, the natural conclusion would be that the fountain waters cleanse from sin.

Would this be acceptable to you, and if not, on what basis do you reject the fountain as being literally able to cleanse from sin, but accept “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives”, as the physical return of Christ

As an aside, notice that it does not say that He lands on the mount, or descends on the mount, or even that he climbs the mount to get to the top.

Thanks again, and have a great day!

Carl


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Questions I’ve been Asked – What Kingdom – Part 1?

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Quite a while back we were enjoying a Bible study in our home, and a good brother came up with a teaching that I had never considered.
In a nut shell, he stated that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven were two different kingdoms. Initially I considered this to be hair splitting, and not worth chasing, but he was adamant about the difference, stating that the message had to be understood with this difference.

Okay, since I welcome a topic to discuss, and to consider what the Bible is trying to teach me, I resolved to look into it for my brothers sake. – Spenser – if you are out there, give me a call – it has been too long since we spoke and I miss you brother.

For the next few posts, I will provide verses where the Master, in teaching of the Kingdom, sometimes uses God and sometimes uses Heaven as the modifier (in the same teaching).

Let’s see if there are any obvious differences.

Teaching of the Kingdom – 1

Matthew 4:12, 17

Now when he heard that John had been arrested, he withdrew into Galilee.

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Mark 1:14-15

Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Both of these instances, where Jesus declares the nearness of the kingdom, occur directly after John is thrown into prison. Jesus message at that time was that a kingdom was near and that repentance was necessary. Of course, if the kingdom of heaven is different than the kingdom of God, there may need to be some additional repentance for some of these folks who heard the wrong message.

I don’t see anything obviously different in these two passages other than the modifier being used. Might they be the same kingdom?

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Matt 5 3Teaching of the Kingdom – 2

Matthew 5:3

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 6:20

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

The sermon on the plain (Luke’s version) is typically considered having the same basic teaching as the sermon on the mount. Did Jesus teach this message twice? If He did, is there an obvious difference in the message, other than the use of the modifier?

Matthew uses poor in spirit, where Luke simply describes the recipient as being poor. Maybe there is a difference!

Yet the term Luke uses refers to a person who is reduced to beggary, powerless, lowly, destitute of position and honor.

It seems the message is the same. Could the kingdoms be the same?

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

Teaching of the Kingdom – 3

Matthew 11:11–12
Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luke 7:28

I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”

Dang – the only word revised in this message, describing John the Baptist is the term we are trying find differences in. Every word in the Matthew account is identical to the Luke account except heaven / God.

This passage is not helping with the case for two different kingdoms. But we have more passages so……

Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds

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OT in NT – Ephesians

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10-OT in NT – Ephesians

 


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Chatting with a Dispy – 9

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.  During this discussion, I fear my brother may have lost some focus on the questions at hand.  I will leave this to the reader.

I believe you ask very good questions.  Some of the best I’ve ever heard asked!  To what intent does the prophets say “god treads on the mountains”?  I must reply I know of many possible intentions, and I know that God often teaches mankind through parallels, examples, similitude’s, and first doing things in the natural, and then the spiritual.

For example, when Adam and Eve sinned, God gave them animal skins, not Levi’s.  Thus, there was an “animal sacrifice” from the beginning to teach of death, and consequences of sin, and that a sacrifice can provide a covering for sin.  As we now know, 6000 years later, Jesus’s death for us provides for us white robes that cover our sins.

What is being communicated that God walks on the mounts?  Good question.   I can only guess and make an educated Biblical guess, in fitting with all other scriptures and doctrines.  what is your guess?

I have walked on mountaintops.  Have you?  What did you see and feel?  I see a great view all around; it’s not just “the outdoors”, but it’s an amazing feeling to see so much.  Often  you are exhausted when you get there.  I feel peace.  I feel humbled.  I feel exhilarated.  I feel an appreciation for the creation.  I often feel I can commune with God.

I was a skier.  We take a chairlift to mountaintops.  It’s not the same, but often, just a little bit similar, or only a bit less so.

One thing I have noticed about the outdoors is the sense of freedom, yet also, the sense of lack of security; without the comforts of civilization.  There is freedom, and fear.

There is also no slavery in nature.  Only man engages in debt slavery with one another.  Animals do not do such horrible things to one another.

But what do scriptures say about mountains?  They are often places of worship of God, or of false gods.  The “temple mount” in Jerusalem is a holy spot.  Moses saw the burning bush in the mountains, on holy ground.

Is God “mystical” and so “spiritual” that things can not be understood or  practical?

Our God is practical.  Idolatry is an affront because it is a useless waste of time, dishonors God, and is often used to pool money from misled people and steal from them, as they trust in a false idol rather than reality.

Jesus said about trees that do not bear fruit, to cut them to the ground.

Mountains are not very useful forms of land; the land is often unfit for human use, unfruitful, and in the sierras, the land behind the mountains is desert, since the mountains drain the precipitation out of the clouds as the clouds move up over the mountains, so the mountains also make large parts of the earth less useful.

Perhaps God intends to level the mountains, to make the earth more useful and fruitful?

Perhaps mountains are an affront to God, lifted up places that compete with the Glory of God.

Perhaps mountains represent fallen angels, who will be destroyed.

Perhaps mountains represent kingdoms of man, who will be destroyed.

Perhaps mountains are like temples of worship, like pyramids built in the shape of mountains.

Perhaps God will destroy not only the physical mountains, but all things like mountains, fallen angels, kingdoms, worthless land, worthless idols, etc.

There are video games where you can “terra form”.  Often, tearing down the mountains and filling the valleys lets you build a bigger city with more people.

I have often wondered if there would be any such thing as skiing on a mountain when God comes to restore the earth.  I don’t know.

But in no case can I use any sort of spiritual lesson or teaching to deny what the Bible or the prophets say.

God can, and usually does both, first the physical, then the spiritual.   If Jesus comes back to land on, and destroy a mountain, I believe the best interpretation is to take that literally, and to understand that the literal future fulfillment is the beginning of what will take place around the world, and in the spiritual fulfillment, as God will destroy all kingdoms set against him, as well, which we know he will do.

But in no case, is the spiritual interpretation to be used to deny the physical and literal, when there are no problems with the physical being fulfilled.

Brother


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OT in NT – Galations

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9-OT in NT – Galations

 


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