Recently I have been in discussions with some friends that read my blog fairly consistently and they have, in an effort to understand my beliefs, have baited me by calling me a universalist.

That is fair, since I may not have defined every specific teaching as they may want, most likely due to the fact I honestly haven’t come to a settled persuasion on some of the teaching they may ask about me.

Initially, as I have stated in previous posts, I was surprised with the number of passages that support an evangelical universal reconciliation teaching. Please do not think that this teaching is the same as the “all roads lead to heaven” teaching, which I consider to be blasphemous. There is only one way to the Father, and that is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

With this, I would like to begin delving into some of the New Testament passages Mr. Giles brought to my attention, for your consideration, edification and civil discussion.

Regarding the book itself, I read it in one sitting, not simply because it was under 200 pages, but that it was challenging my though process and I found it enjoyable reading. If this topic interests you, please pick up a copy. It is well worth your time.

Our fifth blog post will begin with passage 5, Colossians 1:14, 19-20. Mr Giles provides a very good introduction to the passage and supplies points that I had never considered before. I do hope you will take a few minutes to consider this passage with me.

Passage 5

Colossians 1:14, 19-20

in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,

and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

As my readers may notice, this passage is the Colossian equivalent to the previous post Book Look – Jesus Undefeated – Passage 4 on this topic.

With this difference, Paul makes a slightly astounding comparison. But before we get to the comparison, consider the following two key verses in this book that defend the complete and utter unapologetic claim that Jesus is God Almighty.

Colossians 1:19 ESV – For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,

Colossians 2:9 ESV – For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Notice that both of these verses state that the fullness of God, all the fullness of God, not a portion of the fullness of God, not a certain percentage of the fullness of God, but all the fullness of God dwells in Him. He is the Messiah – God with us! The term “all” in these verses are the basis of this claim, in that Paul did not state –

For in Him deity dwells

Dang, we can say that about believers and we are simply beggars at the throne of God, granted tremendous privilege’s based on the righteousness of our Savior! He is the One in whom ALL the fullness of Deity dwells

OK Carl – as a believer, I understand and believe that Jesus is God. What is the point?

Let’s go back to the context of the original verses

Colossians 1:19-20

For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Paul introduces the same phraseology as in Ephesians, but this time the “all things” is compared with the deity of the Lord Jesus.

This causes me to stop and consider how to understand Paul’s message. In Ephesians, the “all things” of verse 10 was related to the mystery of God’s will, set forth in Christ. The Ephesian passage speaks to uniting “all things” in Him. This passage speaks of reconciling all things to Himself.

Reconciling, dear reader!

The Greek term used in this passage is ἀποκαταλλάσσω apokatallássō, and is used to define three different actions by God toward sinners.

  • to reconcile completely,
  • to reconcile back again,
  • bring back a former state of harmony

You see, an argument in the Ephesian passage could be that the unity referred to is a forced unity, a uniting of all things based on the authority of the Messiah. Jesus is the Lord and has all authority and this may be Paul’s intent in Ephesians.

The argument of authority only doesn’t hold water for me in this passage, unless my readers can provide a cogent reason for reconsidering. Paul is speaking of reconciliation, that is a bringing back, a relationship being returned to between God and “all things”. Reconciliation is an action that screams of relationship, of two “people” looking at each other, relating to one another, at peace with one another!

Returning to consider the “all things” of verse 20, we read in Romans 8:22 that all of creation groans until the redemption of our bodies, yet when I read that passage I default to excluding most of humanity in the “all of creation” description.

Should the “all things” of Colossians 1:20 condition our thinking when we read a passage such as Romans 8:22?

Yet the “all things” of Colossians 1:20 must refer to a portion of humanity, since we know that some have not been reconciled. Therefore the “all things” must be understood to refer to “some things”. And if that is true, should we understand verse 19 to teach us that some of the fullness of the Godhead dwells in the Messiah?

If not, why not? Why would Paul change the intent of the term “all” from one verse to the next. It seems a difficult verse to argue against from the Universalist Reconciliation stance.

Your thoughts?

Thanks again for coming to visit. I hope you found something of interest in this post and would appreciate a comment, to begin a discussion.

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148 thoughts on “Book Look – Jesus Undefeated – Passage 5”

  1. Bottom line, I don’t believe the scriptures teach that man has a “free Will” I think it is the doctrine of demons and belief in that doctrine is evidence you have not come to the knowledge of the truth and do not know the true God.

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    1. I never said I had no decision. We decide all day long. Pharaoh decided. God said He would harden Pharaoh’s heart and God doesn’t lie; He hardened his heart. He had complete control over Pharaoh. God wanted to kill the firstborn to present Passover.

      The issue is what causes you to decide. I desired and decided after hearing the truth which required a new heart from God to believe and respond.

      The regenerative heart comes because it is the same act from God as being drawn or given to Christ by the Father because belief is the work of God that causes you to come.

      There is where we depart and have different gospels. You don’t need God to change your heart to choose.

      You believe a gospel that man makes the difference between heaven and hell and I believe a Gospel that saves conditioned solely on Christ.

      I think believing in a God that can’t save is idol worship, nonsense, unbiblical and presents a false gospel that doesn’t save.

      You think the free will god is the biblical God. I guess you can say The serpent is the biblical false god of free will that can’t save.

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        1. If God didn’t change my Will unto belief of the truth, I would have no hope.
          Robots can short circuit showing the owner of the robot is not completely in control of the robot. God controls every atom, thought and action of our being etc. He is the creator of all things, knowingly.

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            1. I talked to a Calvary Chapel attendee yesterday morning and he just kept repeating God created in us free will.

              He repeated basically your unbiblical view account of God’s interaction with Pharaoh and in addition, basically in his attempt to defend “free will” denied other biblical accounts when shown the biblical scripture and blatant facts that God controlled the heart and the thoughts in other biblical characters.

              This was plainly shown to him and you in scripture. You blindly ignore the simple wording in the Bible plainly saying that God had control over the heart and thoughts; since the heart controls the thoughts.

              You ignore multiple other accounts in the Bible that demonstrate God’s control over the heart.

              You can’t understand because to use your repeated phrase “ it is your belief” that God created in us “free will” and any scripture that goes against your thoughts, you can’t absorb.

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                1. You are the clay not the potter
                  He is omniscient
                  Romans 11:36
                  36 Because of Him, and through Him, and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen

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  3. Let’s conclude here

    “I don’t believe in any form of free will- it’s a figment of man’s imagination; a lie from Satan”
    I believe the scriptures teach that free Will is the delusional concept promoted and endorsed by the Serpent in the Garden of Eden and acquired by natural man, the descendants of Adam

    “ Dying you shall not die” And God knows in the day you eat of it, you will be like God knowing good and evil.

    You didn’t need God in order to choose to believe. You are special. I feel bad for the one that wasn’t created like you.

    Unfortunately, you were special enough to believe the lie of free will. One who doesn’t need anything from God to choose.

    God said No one comes to Me unless the Father draws Him John 6:44

    You do know no one comes unless they believe so belief must be a gift; since it is the work of God. John 6:29

    Let me repeat the portion of 1 John 2:19

    “ they were not of us” They were generated from above therefore were never generated prior Your assumption has no substance

    “Us being the ones given by the Father to Jesus

    If you were given then in order to come you must believe and that has to be a sovereign gift of God John 3:8 since you don’t come unless you have received belief

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  4. It is most apparent you are believing in the free will of man get saved lose your salvation and then get it back and then lose it and then get it back again

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  6. All that the father gives to Jesus can’t be lost Once a believer believes in the gospel of Christ (True Gospel) that Christ saves conditioned solely on His work and person without any effort from the sinner, he can never not believe and be lost That is the Good news. Jesus actually saves His people with no buts. So your added assumption to the scripture is all vanity

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          1. You don’t even notice that you are making the assumption when you say

            “But may have been previously”

            The scripture says “ They WERE NOT of us” that means they never were of us since they were not of us

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            1. The assembly where they left I’m assuming we’re true believers otherwise it doesn’t matter whether they leave or not; but since they were true believers the ones that were not of us were not true believers.

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                1. But they were, possibly, at one time previously believing the true Gospel according to your previous statement.

                  So, “He that believes into me has eternal life”. But Now, They do not have eternal life because they do not believe into Me ; so they lost eternal life and went out from us because they were not of us. Does that make sense to you?
                  I think it is non sense and a False Gospel !

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                    1. If you believe the Gospel you have in your possession eternal life because you have the spirit and the belief is the work of God through regeneration God does not give belief and take it away again like you are advocating; but I know you will say it is the free Will of man that gives and takes way.

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                    7. If salvation is merely a contractual agreement between the Father and the Son, deciding whom will be saved and whom will be tossed as human garbage into eternal torment to suffer consciously forever and ever and ever and ever, how do you know you are of the chosen. You know some verses that you emphasize in your understanding of the Word of God, and relegate other Scriptures to be subservient to your logic, seems dangerous to me, especially since you have such a specialized understanding of the Bible. But this is your faith!

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                    11. God has knowledge of everyone. The word knew if researched and studied means He had an intimate relationship with him He loved him. You give me the impression that you think God creates and produces things that spontaneous combust or something unpredictable. Why did the objector object in Romans 9 when he found out God hardens unconditionally whom He wills and finds fault since no one can resist His will.

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                    14. Here we have another witness demonstrating God makes vessels ( and that He doesn’t spontaneously combust creation)
                      Romans 9:20-23

                      20 Nay, rather, O man, who are you, the one answering back to God? Shall the thing formed say to the One forming it, Why did You make me like this? Isa. 29:16

                      21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make one vessel to honor, and one to dishonor?
                      Jer. 18:6

                      22 But if God, desiring to display wrath, and to make His power known, endured in much long-suffering vessels of wrath hav- ing been fitted out for destruction,

                      23 and that He make known the riches of His glory on vessels of mercy which He before prepared for glory,

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                    17. If you know what the Gospel is and believe it; then you will love Him and keep His commandments.

                      Didn’t Jesus say knowing the true God and the whom He sent is everlasting life?

                      Knowing Him is everlasting life. He said the scriptures speak of Him. Scripture says if you believe into Him, you have eternal life.

                      Believing into Him is believing that salvation is conditioned on His work and His imputed righteousness alone without any contribution or effort from the sinner.

                      The atonement was effectual for His people chosen from before the foundation of the world; otherwise, if salvation was dependent on man, He could have died for no one, possibly. That would mean God couldn’t save all that He desired to save; since He desires to save all men. That is a depiction of a weak god who cannot and God condemns idol worship.

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                    21. You are equating being generated from above with dependence on man not God; therefore man’s “free will” is sovereign and fickled because You can be in one minute and out the next and since you might be really fickled you can get back in again and lose it again as you get tossed from one false doctrine to another false doctrine conditioned on man’s seek for self righteousness.

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  8. 1 John 2:19

    They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they left so that it might be revealed that they all are not of us.

    “ but they left so that it might be revealed that they “all” are not of us.”

    What did they believe or not believe when they left? What does it mean they were not of us?

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      1. Nowhere does the verse say “never of us” just that yhier departure proved they were not of them at that time. Careful with reading your assumptions into the verse.

        19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

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  10. Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or [being] his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and [who] instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14)

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  11. Read the verses again They left because they weren’t planted by the Father, they believed a false Gospel. They must not have been generated from above unto heart felt belief of the truth.

    A false gospel is all the false religions of the world that are seeking to establish their own righteousness and not submitting to the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ Romans 10:1-4
    2 Thessalonians 2:13
    John 3:3-8 Galatians 1:8 2 Corinthians 11:4

    Do you think these people that left ever believed the truth that Jesus actually effectually paid for His people’s sins that He promised to save; confirmed at the time when He said “It is finished” or Paid in full. His people that He promised to save were bought and paid for, done. His people don’t stop believing the truth.

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  12. “What about tomorrow. You best be faithful to the very end, to prove you are one of the chosen. Remember that knowing bible facts don’t make you a christian!!!”

    Once generated from above, you will continue to believe the truth that salvation is conditioned solely on Jesus Christ’s work and person alone. Jesus said It is the Fathers Will that I lose none of the ones He has given Me.

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      1. They were believing a false gospel conditioned on man.

        The Apostle said they would have remained with us; but they were not of us ( not generated from above) ( every plant not planted by My Father will be uprooted )Matthew 15:13

        They left so it might be revealed

        Read 1 Corinthians 11:19

        For also factions need to be among you, so that the approved ones may become re- vealed among you.

        1 John 2:19

        They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they left so that it might be revealed that they all are not of us.

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  13. “What verse teaches there is no opportunity to believe gospel after death?”

    The rich man in torment in the parable wasn’t getting a 2nd opportunity.

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      2. I’m still looking at your post; but so far I don’t find the need to ask these questions to understand the parable

        “Why does the rich man have a dialog with Abraham rather than with God?

        Did the Pharisees equate Abraham with God?
        Why is Lazarus brought to Abraham rather than to God?

        Didn’t the Jews consider God to be the judge of all mankind?

        Why ask Abraham rather than God to have pity on him?

        Was Abraham the Jewish equivalent of St Peter for Christians? (I am being waggish in this statement, for St Peter doesn’t have “pity pardons” for believers either!)

        Does living in luxury make you liable to hell?
        This is extremely bad news for all in America (and any other first world country), for we live at a level of luxury 90% of the world does not enjoy.

        Does the rich man ignoring the existence of the beggar seal his fate?

        This again is extremely bad news for most of us in America, and any other first world country.
        Does being poor in this life entitle you to enter Heaven?

        Where does the work of Christ enter into this? If being poor allows entrance to heaven, Christ died unnecessarily.

        Why do we assume that Lazarus is buried when the story states the poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abrahams side.

        This last point shows how we insert our assumptions – that Lazarus was buried, therefore in hades. The rich man was in hades. Lazarus was “afar off”, with Abraham.”

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  14. Carl, you are exploring your desired goal of having every person reconciled and discounting a God that has total control over His creation and you want a god that delivers no eternal punishment to those that don’t believe the gospel of Grace alone.
    I have given multiple scriptures. You just ignore them. Look back, I have laid out scriptures 3:1 to you. We just believe in different gospels different Gods and a different Jesus Christ.

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  15. Where does it say that when you get thrown into the Lake of Fire you get treated differently than the false prophet and beast?

    Where does it say that God takes you out of existence when you hit the fire?

    There is more basic English evidence in those scriptures for torment then annihilation. So you would be speaking more from a place of silence than what the scripture says.

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    1. What is sad is that I know you are serious about that question.

      Those that are not found in the book of life (of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world) (Revelation 13:8)are thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are tormented day and night

      Revelation 20:15 and Revelation 20:10

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        1. Carl, they get thrown into the same place where the beast and false prophet are tormented day and night. You think our personal individual identities can go out of existence? You must believe that.

          God has to look upon your uncovered sin for eternity. Annihilation is not an equitable punishment for uncovered sin that God has to look upon for eternity.

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            1. The scripture says God will not remember the sins of those covered by Christ’s work and person; but the uncovered sin of the unbeliever has no just covering; therefore it is always remembered by an eternal God.
              Christ did not remove the sin of the unbeliever. Since, it is uncovered for eternity to an eternal righteous God, it is remembered and annihilation allows for no punishment for the sin to be covered. So, annihilation is not an equitable punishment because God is a just God and a savior and the unbeliever is condemned unjustified and unreconciled. In order for God to be a just God, there has to be punishment and annihilation is not equitable punishment .

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                1. What else is there either torment or annihilation? The scripture refers to torment day and night Nothing else is mentioned was there a need to say anything else besides lake of fire to get the point across

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                  1. Annihilation is termination no cognition… God is still viewing your uncovered sins for eternity and he is just God equal punishment is not reflected in annihilation for His view of disgust

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                  2. You have directed me to universal reconciliation by claiming very early on in our discussions that I was a universalist. Since then I have read a couple books and have provided what I have found. If this offends you, my apologies, but my research into universal reconciliation was spurred on by your claiming my association with this traching

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                    1. I’m not offended; what you have said to me is light duty compared to what other people have said to me.
                      I have heard some strange comments which makes what makes scripture very profoundly real

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                2. Why do ask questions like? “When did I mention annihilation?” What else is there ? Torment or non existence. Maybe you will tell me purgatory in the lake of fire day and night. Is day and night forever? You just give me one liners to divert the unanswered questions, I ask
                  You haven’t answered a lot particularly the issue brought up in your post on all things reconciled.

                  Why does it present in Colossians 1 that reconciliation of a person is determined by proof outwardly by continuing in the faith” That means unbelievers are not reconciled. Doesn’t it?

                  Then Mark 16:16 agrees you are condemned and consequently not reconciled if you are condemned. I can’t come to any other conclusion. Are condemned people reconciled?

                  So, not all things are reconciled but wait yes “all things” are reconciled if we are talking “classes ” of things isn’t there going to be a new heaven and a new earth and the old things are going to pass away. So, not everyone without exception has to be reconciled to fulfill the definition of “ all things” or “all creation” ( without exception) there are animals and plants etc that were subjected to the fall of Adam that are groaning for the day of redemption of Jew and Gentile when the new heaven and earth will be given. I just don’t think scripture is teaching what you are trying to accomplish to fulfill your desired belief system

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                  1. I’m not trying to accomplish anything other than considering at this time, universal reconciliation.
                    Condemned people are reconciled constantly- why do you debate that? The purpose of the cross is to reconcile condemned people. John 3:36.

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                    1. I realized after sending you the comment that you would probably catch my error in stating condemned people are not reconciled.

                      I’m confident you know I didn’t mean that. The correct way I should have stated it ..is people who die in unbelief of the truth will continue in their condemned state of unbelief into eternity. It is obvious converted persons that are generated from above unto belief of the gospel are removed from the state of condemnation

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        2. Those thrown into the lake of fire were thrown into the lake of fire because they weren’t found in the book of life meaning their sins were not covered by Jesus Christ’s shed blood; securing their salvation.

          The justice of a righteous God requires sufficient punishment for sin.

          Since, Jesus, the sufficient sacrifice and payment wasn’t punished for their sin, they will be punished for their sin. Jesus qualified as the perfect sacrifice to satisfy God’s eternal justice through His shed blood.

          Since, their sin will be eternally viewed by God for eternity; and it is uncovered by the eternally satisfying sacrifice, they have to satisfy God’s eternal justice through eternal punishment.

          Annihilation or extinction doesn’t qualify for eternal payment or punishment for sin; so the ones not found in the book of life will suffer eternal punishment to satisfy God’s justice being a righteous God.

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        3. Carl, Why didn’t you show me the additional verses in addition Revelation 20:10 when you said only the beast and false prophet were tortured day and night

          Revelation 21:8

          But for the cowardly and faithless ones, and disgusting ones, and murderers, and fornicators, and users of magic, and idolaters, and all liars, their part will be in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

          Revelation 14:10

          he also shall drink of the wine of the anger of God having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.

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    2. So where does it say they will be preaching the Good News after death and why would they have to if God makes people sinless particularly, the believer, at His return plus nothing changed in the parable for the rich man while he was in torment. He wanted to go back and tell everyone what he now knew and about the torment he was experiencing but he couldn’t leave and nothing was going to change for him.
      Carl, I feel you are going to believe whatever you want to believe no matter how clear the scripture is. I need to stop conversing.

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      1. I am asking you for verses. You simply describe your belief.
        When I ask for a specific answer, you provide answers depending on the silence of scripture and logic based on your belief.
        You believe whatever you want to no matter the questions I ask, challenging your teaching.
        Regarding luke 16 you refer to above, I will be posting on that parable very soon.

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  17. The English grammatical structure was clear in Colossians 1:21-23
    But now (Jesus Christ) reconciled in the body of His flesh, through death, to present you holy and without blemish ( resurrection) and irreproachable before Him , if indeed you continue in the faith having been founded and steadfast , and not being moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, the (one) being proclaimed in all creation under heaven, of which, I, Paul, became a servant

    Carl, those are not my words in Colossians 1:21-23 they are the words from the inspiration of God

    Faith in the truth is the fruit of being effectually reconciled. Those who do not have faith in the gospel are not shown to be reconciled from the foundation of the world which is in agreement with Mark 16:16 He who does not believe the gospel is condemned and no condemned person is reconciled.

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          1. Mark 16:16 ….. if you die in unbelief you are condemned because he that does not believe is condemned. There is no opportunity to believe the Gospel of Christ after death. Therefore you are eternally condemned

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      2. True, if what you believe isn’t a false gospel conditioned on natural man and is scriptural.
        I don’t see that in scripture. The Gospel of Grace guarantees God’s people will be saved. A gospel dependent on man means Jesus could have possibly died for no one which is ridiculous.

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        1. Anyone that believes a false gospel that man makes the difference between heaven and hell believing that salvation isn’t conditioned solely on the work and person of Christ alone, is lost.

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            1. I believe the Gospel of Grace alone

              A salvation that is conditioned solely on The shed blood and The imputed righteousness of Christ alone as the only condition of salvation.
              God promises to save His people. He is true to His word.

              He said
              He that believes into Me has eternal life. God doesn’t take away that life, once given that cause one to believe the Gospel of Grace.
              I cannot stop believing the truth because I believe the Gospel and Jesus won’t lose anyone that the father gives.

              Any Gospel where salvation is dependent on man is not true.

              Neither will He take that belief in the Gospel away from anyone that believes that salvation is by His work alone.

              He will sustain whoever believes and preserve whoever believes and glorify whoever believes this Gospel of Grace.

              Whoever believes into Him as their rock of their salvation has eternal life. He completes and finishes what He starts.

              Knowledge is everything and that knowledge is the knowledge that saves.

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              1. Just so I’m not misunderstood I’m not saying knowledge is the condition for salvation; but that having that knowledge received in 2 Corinthians 4:6 is the fruit of salvation or generation from above and the result of the work of God and having that knowledge and believing the Gospel of Grace shows you are saved because you believe the truth that salvation comes conditioned on Christ alone without any effort from man

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                    3. The scripture says He that believes into Me has eternal life … and the scripture is the word of God “Thy word is truth” God is not a man that He should lie

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                    5. So ….a man that believes what he read in plain English He that believes the Gospel ( of Grace of course) and is baptized will be saved

                      I believe that. God said it.
                      Eve didn’t trust God’s word

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                    9. Jesus said I have eternal life “He that believes into Me has eternal life”

                      Believing into Him means His shed blood and imputed righteousness which means He propitiate justified and redeemed the one that believes the gospel of Grace …. That is how I know

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                    13. Believing the facts of the Gospel of Grace shows you have been made a Christian ( believer) I can never stop believing the Gospel of Grace The just shall live by faith. Faith in what the Gospel of Grace of Grace of course . He promised to save His people. He can’t fail and nothing man will do will interfere with Him saving His people, right?

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                    15. All scripture is God breathed and He said His sheep hear His voice which isn’t necessarily audible He that ears to hear let him hear I trust what He said isn’t that part of having faith?

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  20. The key is in verse 23 “ if indeed you continue in the faith”…..
    Comment: then back to verse 21 You are reconciled if indeed, you continue in the faith which is proven to be in agreement with Mark 16:16 Unbelievers are condemned and never part of the reconciliation of Christ to God. It is ridiculous to think an unbeliever to be reconciled by Christ to God when he is condemned.

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      1. The fruit of regeneration is belief of the Gospel of Christ. It is self evident that if anyone backs away from the truth of believing that salvation is conditioned on the shed Blood of Christ and His imputed righteousness alone without any effort from the sinner, then they never truly had heart felt belief of the truth.

        You cannot lose your salvation once generated from above by God unto belief of the truth. John 3:3-8 2 Thessalonians 2:13 John 6:39
        The Apostle says in those verses that if you continue in the faith, then, Luke 6:45 this is the fruit showing you have been reconciled by Christ’s atonement to God for His people He promised to save Matthew 1:21 who were given to Him by The Father. John 6:37-44 God never shines into the heart of His people a false Gospel of Christ where salvation is conditioned on the sinner. Salvation does not come through hearing a false gospel or a False Christ or atonement
        2 Corinthians 4:6 1 Corinthians 11:19
        2 Corinthians 11:4 Galatians 1:8

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    1. Here is proof that all human beings will not be reconciled unto salvation
      Colossians 1:20-24

      20 and through Him making peace by the blood of His cross, to reconcile all things to Himself; through Him, whether the things on the earth, or the things in the heavens.

      21 And you then being alienated and a hostile one in your mind by evil works, but now He reconciled

      22 in the body of His flesh, through death, to present you holy and without blemish and irreproachable before Him,

      23 if indeed you continue in the faith hav- ing been founded and steadfast, and not be- ing moved away from the hope of the gos- pel which you heard, the one being proclaimed in all the creation under the heaven, of which I, Paul, became a servant.

      24 who now rejoice in my sufferings on your behalf and fill up in my flesh the things lacking of the afflictions of Christ on behalf of His body, which is the Assembly,

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        1. Verse 20 …. To reconcile all things
          Verse 21 ….but now He reconciled
          Verse 22 in His body of flesh to present you holy ( assembly of believers) and without blemish…
          Verse 23 if indeed you continue in faith…..

          You should be able to see it clearly now

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