Doctrinal · End Times · Hell · Judge

Judge Judge Judge ἀνακρίνω – Verse List for Study 2

Because of the CrossFind the full list of verses for the word anakrinō below


Luke 23:14 and said to them, “You brought me this man as one who was misleading the people. And after examining him before you, behold, I did not find this man guilty of any of your charges against him.

Acts 4:9 if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed,

Acts 12:19 And after Herod searched for him and did not find him, he examined the sentries and ordered that they should be put to death. Then he went down from Judea to Caesarea and spent time there.

Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Acts 24:8 By examining him yourself you will be able to find out from him about everything of which we accuse him.”

Acts 28:18 When they had examined me, they wished to set me at liberty, because there was no reason for the death penalty in my case.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.

1 Corinthians 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

1 Corinthians 9:3 This is my defense to those who would examine me.

1 Corinthians 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

1 Corinthians 10:27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

1 Corinthians 14:24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all,

 

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Doctrinal · End Times · Hell · Judge

Judge Judge Judge – ἀνακρίνω – Study 2-C

Because of the Cross

Thanks for returning to this series on “Judge Judge Judge” and my feeble attempt to understand a believers responsibility and right to make judgments.
Another purpose of this series hopefully is to understand the believers restriction on judgement.
What can a Christian judge? How is he to judge? What is prohibited in the Christian life to judge. So many questions and concerns.

Our second greek word related to judging is…

anakrinō

ἀνακρίνω – anakrinō – “examine, judge, ask question, search, discern”

This word is found 16 times in 14 verses within the New Testament. A full listing of all verses may be found below for your self study. I will consider the verses that are not clear, that create questions in my mind, with the remaining verses left for the reader to ponder.

Judged by Believers

1 Corinthians 4:3-5

But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.

For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

Three people are making judgement on one man here.

  1. First off, it is the bad selfish divided church making judgement on the apostle – remember the context of this passage – the church is following men, creating the first denominations, and this must disgust Paul.
  2. Secondly – Paul himself. Paul refuses to judge himself. Yet I imagine Paul knows himself much better than the Corinthians. It seems things are a bit backwards here.
  3. Thirdly, in this passage, there is One who rightly can judge, and it is because He will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness.

Notice a few things

Judgement is based on knowledge, not feelings. The greater the knowledge the better the judgement. The greater the feelings, the greater the possibility of error!

time

Judgement is dependent on time. Pronouncing judgement prematurely is incorrect judgement.

Judgement is not necessarily associated with anger, wrath or discipline. It may be in some passages, but in this case, Paul mentions commendation from God for each man.

Interesting!

Have you considered that some day, after a life of seeking to please God, and yet in your heart feeling you have disappointed Him and yourself, that God will find commendation for your efforts and actions? Is there a word for that?

  • Justice?
  • Mercy?
  • Grace?
  • Love?

Consider what that may mean – that is to be commended by God.

(That slightly blows my mind!)

Thanks for joining me in this study. Hope to visit with you in our next post as we look at the Greek term βῆμα which is commonly translated judgment seat, throne, to set (one’s) foot on in the New Testament.

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Interpretation · Old Testament in New Testament

OT in NT – Philemon

old_testament_law-450x300.jpg?format=originalHow did Jesus and the apostles interpret the Old Testament?

This post is simply a data dump of information for your struggle.

Find below a spreadsheet embedded into the post that lists  verses from the New Testament book of Philemon and corresponding Old Testament references.

Good luck as you research each of the verses and try to understand Paul’s  justification for using the Old Testament passage the way he did.


 

18-OT in NT – Philemon

 


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Sabbath · Tradition

Jesus on the Sabbath – Part 1 – Rubbing Grain

jesus-the-grain-fieldRecently I penned a series of post on the Ten Commandments and as I was writing it, found that the Sabbath day was the only commandment not reapplied  to believers in the New Testament.

In writing that series of posts, I was reminded that the Sabbath day was one of the main irritants between the Lord Jesus and the Pharisees.

Let’s start considering the topic of Sabbath keeping in relation to Christians by reviewing Matthew 12:1-8, where Jesus addresses the Pharisees about eating some grain.

Yep that is right – they got into “it” over His disciples rubbing and eating a handful of grain!

Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

GrainOn a Sabbath day, Jesus and His disciples were traveling through some grain fields.  It seems a bit strange that grown men walk through grain fields, but in this case, it may have been to extract a bit of sustenance.  You see, in ancient Israel, it was perfectly legal for standing fields of grain to be a local snack station.

Check out Deuteronomy 23:25

Deuteronomy 23:25 If you go into your neighbor’s standing grain, you may pluck the ears with your hand, but you shall not put a sickle to your neighbor’s standing grain.

You can’t harvest any of your neighbors grain for the year of course, but a snack for the day was perfectly legal and acceptable.  For Jesus and His disciples, it was snack time, since His disciples were hungry.  (Christians can suffer hunger? – You bet!)

Matthew 12: 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.”

What were the disciples doing that was so unlawful? Kindly remember that the Pharisees had set up volumes of traditions over centuries of studying, intending to protect the law of God. 

In my research, I found a “rule” that the Pharisees may be referring to.

“he that reaps on the Sabbath day, ever so little, is guilty of stoning, and plucking of ear of grain is a derivative of reaping.”

The Pharisees may be appealing to this authority.  They could stone (capital punishment) someone for rubbing grains of wheat in their hand.  Wow – is there not something wrong with this thinking?

The Pharisees follow their Judaism based on the authority of the elders traditions.  The Lord also bases His response on authority.

He brings “authority” to them in three arguments, or rebuttals.  Three rebuttals that will follow in our following posts.

Hope you can return as we Consider the Bible and how we are to relate to the Sabbath.

 


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Dispensationalism · Doctrinal · Interpretation · Literal · Prophecy

Chatting with a Dispy – 17

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.  This is the final discussion, and if you have survived the discussion, my hats off to you.  Thanks for tracking with me and my brother.


RE:  Surely I hope you won’t tell me that the Lord comes back (Rapture) and only takes some of His people to heaven, leaving some on earth for the next coming?

Well, you have it close.  Read Matthew 25, the 10 virgins parable again.  5 foolish virgins are looking for his return, that’s not what the world does; they think they are Christians, but they are not.  See also Matthew 7:22, and Rev 2-3.

I am not sure what you are referring to with Matt 25. How does the parable of the ten virgins show that the Lord only takes a few of His people, and leaves the rest on earth for a second “rescue”?  Are you saying the 5 foolish virgins get a second chance to be accepted by the Lord at some future time?

Matt 25:10-13

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’  But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

It seems there is no hope offered to the foolish virgins after the door is shut.  They were told “I do not know you”.

Matt 7:22 is a reference to final judgment, not the rapture.

Matt 7:22

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

Rev 2-3 – Not sure the connection you are trying to make with this set of verses

(If you could define your point instead of just quoting a reference, it would be most helpful.)

Water, does, indeed, cleanse us from being unclean; one of the marks of sin.

Zech 13:1 states “a fountain will be opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for impurity”

Please note that the passage does not say that the water cleanses from the “marks” of sin. The fountain is opened … for sin and for impurity.  (Insertion of words into the text is not a good practice!)

I have enjoyed our conversation and wish you the very best.  May God the Father and Jesus our Savior shower you with grace.

Blessings


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Atheism · Christianity

Discussions with an Atheist – Part 2

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A long time ago, I was browsing my Facebook page when I came across a post that ridiculed Kirk Cameron’s efforts to sell an “Atheist” Bible.
A friend (who it turns out to be an atheist) seemed to think that Kirk was “uninformed”
Well I thought, lets discuss this issue, and what follows is a record of our discussion.
I really looked forward to his responses and enjoyed considering and responding to his concerns.
Some of my friends comments are a bit lengthy, and as I read them I found echoes of myself, seeking to defend a position simply by supplying a massive quantity of words, knowing inside that he quality of the argument was weak.
If you are a believer in the Lord Jesus, you may find encouragement, and some understanding of an atheist’s worldview.
If you are an atheist, I would encourage you to read and consider my responses.  I seek to understand your position, and if you see a fallacy in my thinking, please comment.  I only ask that you focus your position to one point at a time, in order that I may respond (if I can) without unnecessary confusion.
My comments and responses are in red.

Jesus rising from the dead? no one else does so why one person out of billions upon billions of others don’t? I donate $15 a month to one of the support a child organizations (i’m a student what do you expect) as for suffering in other ways… what can one do except try and educate and spread the word of reality…once i have paid debt off and have extra money i can try and influence on a monetary level more efficiently…unfortunately most of the power is held with in government and more so in corporations bank books.
Everyone is an armchair critic, and some of the ones that go out and try to alleviate the suffering prey upon the suffering to boost their image (mother Teresa) her quote along the lines which were people need to suffer to be closer to god…kinda immoral in my books but..no comment.
Distractions of reality? or distractions of trying to be hoaxed into believing something that is enticing but false? I don’t understand what the distraction is? Every part of the bible makes no sense in today’s day and age…psychologically every enticing aspect of the bible such as eternal life and someone who is always loving and there for you is what a hominid seeks….there’s nothing special here except that certain things are said to satisfy a lot of human emotions (terror management theory).
Biologically most things are not even possible in the stories mentioned in the bible (virgin birth). Now don’t get me wrong the bible would be good for an english class or literature but for reality? I think not…it makes no sense if you learn about biology, psychology, genetics, physics, etc…
Hope all is well with you Carl 🙂
Golly Friend – this again shows that your understanding of the scriptures are not accurate.
Many times the apostles (the Bible) described the raising of the dead, and they were eye witnesses to these events – specifically the resurrection of Jesus Christ. These men died horrible deaths, (secular histories affirm this!)
Why?
Why suffer and die for a lie?

Hey thanks for dropping by and reading my post, especially if you are an atheist friend.  I hope to hear from you and would appreciate a comment to begin a discussion.

Have a great day.


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Kingdom of God · New Testament

Jesus & Paul – Different Messages? Part 2

PaulIn the past few months I have noticed that there are rumblings – at least in my world – of some internet folks trying to make out the message of Paul to be different that that of Jesus.

Never mind the fact that Jesus was dealing with a nation in the last gasps of it’s life and His pleading for their repentance, and Paul’s focus on “making that tent bigger for them dirty Gentiles” (See Isaiah 54:2-3)

Why?  I don’t know, and at this point I am not concerned with their motivation, since I will assume the worst, which may not be fair.

Nevertheless, as I was browsing my computer bible study files, I providentially tripped over the following information.  I must have found this info years back, and will not take credit for the compiling of the verses, but for the life of me, I am not sure where I found this.

This is the second post addressing different topics from the New Testament that both Jesus and Paul taught on showing similarity in their teachings.  My comments will be sparse, (unless they are not)

2. Both taught that God is a loving and merciful Father, whom we should imitate

Jesus

Luke 15:20-24 — And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

Matthew 7:11 — If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

Luke 6:35-36 — But love your enemies…and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

Matthew 5:45 — But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Paul

Romans 5:7-8 — For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 11:32 — For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

2 Corinthians 1:3 — Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies…

Ephesians 2:4 — But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us.

Ephesians 4:32 — And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

Ephesians 5:1 — Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.

A short post to encourage you with the consistency of the Word.  May the Lord strengthen you and bless you as you seek His Kingdom.

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Faith · Repent · Uncategorized

Repent of Your Sins – Metanoeó – Repent Verse List

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A brother asked me recently to check the Bible for the phrase “repent of your sins”.

As the attached graphic states, the specific phrase “repent of your sins” does not occur.

My previous post referred to the verse lists for my study.

This post supplies the list for the word “Repent”

Repent – Strong’s G3340

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Matthew 3:2

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Matthew 4:17

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Matthew 11:20

Then he began to denounce the cities where most of his mighty works had been done, because they did not repent.

Matthew 11:21

“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Matthew 12:41

The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

Mark 1:15

and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Mark 6:12

So they went out and proclaimed that people should repent.

Luke 10:13

“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

Luke 11:32

The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

Luke 13:3

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Luke 13:5

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Luke 15:7

Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Luke 15:10

Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

Luke 16:30

And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

Luke 17:3

Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Luke 17:4

and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”

Acts 2:38

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 3:19

Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

Acts 8:22

Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.

Acts 17:30

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

Acts 26:20

but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.

2 Corinthians 12:21

I fear that when I come again my God may humble me before you, and I may have to mourn over many of those who sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and sensuality that they have practiced.

Revelation 2:5

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.

Revelation 2:16

Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:21

I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.

Revelation 2:22

Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,

Revelation 3:3

Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you.

Revelation 3:19

Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.

Revelation 9:20

The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,

Revelation 9:21

nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Revelation 16:9

They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

Revelation 16:11

and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds.

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Doctrinal · End Times · Hell · Judge

Judge Judge Judge – ἀνακρίνω – Study 2-B

Because of the Cross

Thanks for returning to this series on “Judge Judge Judge” and my feeble attempt to understand a believers responsibility and right to make judgments.
Another purpose of this series hopefully is to understand the believers restriction on judgement.
What can a Christian judge? How is he to judge? What is prohibited in the Christian life to judge. So many questions and concerns.

Our second greek word related to judging is…

anakrinō

ἀνακρίνω – anakrinō – “examine, judge, ask question, search, discern”

This word is found 16 times in 14 verses within the New Testament. A full listing of all verses may be found below for your self study. I will consider the verses that are not clear, that create questions in my mind, with the remaining verses left for the reader to ponder.

Double Standard Judging

1 Corinthians 2:14 -16

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Okay – I’ve been waiting for this passage for the entire study. So often I thought I understood it only to find I was wrong. So lets consider what this passage is speaking about.

Some background – Paul is writing to a bad church. A real bad church. A bunch of immature, selfish, jealous, childish, fleshly, strife ridden believers.

These folk were not spiritual. Were they believers? Maybe, but that may not be the point. Paul is comparing the natural man, with the spiritual man. The natural man in the church in Corinth, that is.

Paul states that the natural man is the man that refuses to accept the things of God – they think it is just stupid!. (Ever met a “believer” like that?)

On top of that, he, the natural man that is, is not able to understand the things of the Spirit of God because understanding the things of the Spirit of God requires agreement with the Spirit. Disagreeing with the Spirit of God does not allow for a continuation of proper judgments. Remember , as we discovered in our last post, discernment is a gift of the Spirit based on knowledge of the Word of God and prayer.

Okay – so if this background and understanding is correct, Paul is stating that spiritual persons make correct judgments due to the believer having the mind of Christ (v 16).

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It is not an IQ issue, a school training accomplishment, or a personality quality. It has nothing to do with glory for the believer. The believer is to rely on the mind of Christ for his proper decision making skills

The spiritual man bases his judgments / decisions on the mind of Christ, which provides real time guidance of the principles of the Word of God in daily life. (The mind of Christ in my thinking has much to do with an attitude of humility and meekness.)

It is a daily war to remember that our ability to make correct judgement on issues of the day or people we meet is a gift supplied by our Father in heaven and buttressed with a knowledge of the Word.

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I can hear you already – Carl we can’t judge people ! But I think you will find that we can (and need to) judge people. Let’s wait until we get to those passages before you make a rash judgement on me!

Thanks for joining me in this study. Hope to visit with you in our next post as we continue to look at the Greek term ἀνακρίνω

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Interpretation · Old Testament in New Testament

OT in NT – Titus

old_testament_law-450x300.jpg?format=originalHow did Jesus and the apostles interpret the Old Testament?

This post is simply a data dump of information for your struggle.

Find below a spreadsheet embedded into the post that lists  verses from the New Testament book of Titus and corresponding Old Testament references.

Good luck as you research each of the verses and try to understand Paul’s  justification for using the Old Testament passage the way he did.


 

17-OT in NT – Titus

 


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Sabbath · Tradition

Jesus on the Sabbath – Verse List

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The following passages are a listing of every occurrence of “Sabbath” in the new Testament, supplied for those who would like to pursue this study a bit further.


Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

Matthew 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.”

Matthew 12:5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Matthew 12:10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”–so that they might accuse him.

Matthew 12:11 He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out?

Matthew 12:12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Matthew 24:20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

Mark 1:21 And they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath he entered the synagogue and was teaching.

Mark 2:23 One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.

Mark 2:24 And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

Mark 2:27 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Mark 2:28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Mark 3:2 And they watched Jesus, to see whether he would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse him.

Mark 3:4 And he said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent.

Mark 6:2 And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands?

Mark 15:42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.

Luke 4:31 And he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee. And he was teaching them on the Sabbath,

Luke 6:1 On a Sabbath, while he was going through the grainfields, his disciples plucked and ate some heads of grain, rubbing them in their hands.

Luke 6:2 But some of the Pharisees said, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?”

Luke 6:5 And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Luke 6:6 On another Sabbath, he entered the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was withered.

Luke 6:7 And the scribes and the Pharisees watched him, to see whether he would heal on the Sabbath, so that they might find a reason to accuse him.

Luke 6:9 And Jesus said to them, “I ask you, is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to destroy it?”

Luke 13:10 Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.

Luke 13:14 But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.”

Luke 13:15 Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it?

Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?”

Luke 14:1 One Sabbath, when he went to dine at the house of a ruler of the Pharisees, they were watching him carefully.

Luke 14:3 And Jesus responded to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?”

Luke 14:5 And he said to them, “Which of you, having a son or an ox that has fallen into a well on a Sabbath day, will not immediately pull him out?”

Luke 23:54 It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments. On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

John 5:9 And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked. Now that day was the Sabbath.

John 5:10 So the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed.”

John 5:16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath.

John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 7:22 Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath.

John 7:23 If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man’s whole body well?

John 9:14 Now it was a Sabbath day when Jesus made the mud and opened his eyes.

John 9:16 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.

Acts 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey away.

Acts 13:14 but they went on from Perga and came to Antioch in Pisidia. And on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down.

Acts 13:27 For those who live in Jerusalem and their rulers, because they did not recognize him nor understand the utterances of the prophets, which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled them by condemning him.

Acts 13:42 As they went out, the people begged that these things might be told them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 The next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.

Acts 15:21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.

Acts 17:2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,


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Sabbath · Tradition

Jesus on the Sabbath – Introduction

jesus-the-grain-fieldRecently I penned a series of post on the Ten Commandments and as I was writing it, found that the Sabbath day was the only commandment not reapplied  to believers in the New Testament.

In writing that series of posts, I was reminded that the Sabbath day was one of the main irritants between the Lord Jesus and the Pharisees.

Consider John 5:18 in light of the importance of the Sabbath to the Jewish nation?  Sabbath observance was a matter of life and death!  Note than John was giving two reasons the Jews were trying to kill the Messiah; equality with God, and breaking the Sabbath.

John 5:18
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

I get the equal with God thing – Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.  (Deal with it – every day of your life friend.)

But Jesus  breaking Sabbath?  How could Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) be breaking His own law?  That is the definition of sin!

But hold on to your hat.  Jesus informs us just one verse prior that the Father works on the Sabbath

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”

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Okay – now I’m seriously messed up again!

How could God the Father and His Messiah be breaking the 4th commandment and things still exist.  God cannot go against His own authority – that is impossible!

Okay – here is a solution.

I wonder if John is simply referring to the Sabbath traditions of the elders, but not the written commandment delivered by angels through Moses!

Unless something else is going on…

Come join me as we venture down this path of Jesus on the Sabbath.


By the way, I will be posting a list of New Testament verses that include the word Sabbath for those who may be interested in pursuing this study on their own – Highly recommended!!!

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Dispensationalism · Doctrinal · Interpretation · Literal · Prophecy

Chatting with a Dispy – 16

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

That means they are prophecies, prophetic, rehearsals, they teach us prophecy!  That’s why I know so much about the prophetic things that you are asking, because I’ve studied the feasts, and their meaning, and so, I understand scripture in ways that you do not.

You are correct there – Many things you have said escape me – You seem to link passages together without any justification other than one word, and have the confidence that your interpretation is unassailable.

I do live by faith.  Faith is an action verb in the bible, not a “non action belief” as the thought is in the west.  My actions are clearly evident, in my business, and in my prophecy website.

(Didn’t you just confess to defrauding someone?  But that is neither here nor there – )

As for symbols, if Jesus is a person, and if we will all see him “face to face”, how will that be possible if there are billions of people?  Would he not, at some point, tell people to go home, and get to work?  And at those times, the people will have reminders around them, as Zech says, the pots and pans will be inscribed “holy to the Lord”.

Do you/they not have the Holy Spirit?  Do you/they need “pots and pans” to supplement your/thier relationship with the Lord?

Yes, I do apply Isa 65 to the millennium.  The refreshed earth is a fitting description of the future millennium.

I am glad to hear that you admit to applying a scripture that specifically states one thing (the new heavens and new earth) and you are using it to describe a completely different time period (a 1000 yr period prior to the new earth and new heavens).  That is your decision, but do not tell me that you are faithful to the Word of God at the same time.

How does 2 Thess 1:8 fit in?  Very well with 1 Thess 5,

HOW?

which refers to Ezekiel 38-39,

Where does 1 Thess 5 (entire chapter?) refer to Ezekiel 38-39?

which also describes a time of 7 years.

Ezekiel 39:9
And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

This is the only verse that refers to seven years in Ez 38-39.  How does burning weapons (I assume wooden weapons, since they burn), have anything to do with the coming of the Lord in flaming fire?

And why do you choose seven years, when just a few verses later, seven months are referred to?

Ezekiel 39:12
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 39:14
And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

Too many loose ends Brother!

At the time of the rapture, God will rain fire down to destroy the enemies attacking Israel from the North.

I think you mean at the time of the Second Coming, God will rain fire down…., right?

If that is what you mean, and you are associating the 7 years of weapons burning with the Second Coming, then the first 7 years of the Millenium will have fields of weapons burning? Or is it during the entire tribulation that the weapons are burning?  If so, the rapture and the attack you see in Ezekiel on Israel happens at the same time?

Not every wicked person on earth attacks Israel at this time, so there are plenty of wicked people left over to enter the tribulation, and from them, “survivors”, too.

RE:  If those worthy are taken up at the rapture, and when the Lord comes back, all that know not God will be consumed, who is left? The text does not say “all”.

Granted!  Does it need to?  Two types of people are in the world – those who know God and those who do not know God.  (Is there a third type of person?)  I assume in your thinking, that there are two types of wicked people, those who are attacking Israel, and those who are not attacking Israel.  Is there a passage that clearly describes these two wicked groups and their distinction from one another?

It says “them that know not God”.  Obviously, if they did know God, they would not be attacking Jerusalem, of which we are commanded to pray for the peace of.


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Atheism · Christianity

Discussions with an Atheist – Part 1

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A long time ago, I was browsing my Facebook page when I came across a post that ridiculed Kirk Cameron’s efforts to sell an “Atheist” Bible.
A friend (who it turns out to be an atheist) seemed to think that Kirk was “uninformed”
Well I thought, lets discuss this issue, and what follows is a record of our discussion.
I really looked forward to his responses and enjoyed considering and responding to his concerns.
Some of my friends comments are a bit lengthy, and as I read them I found echoes of myself, seeking to defend a position simply by supplying a massive quantity of words, knowing inside that he quality of the argument was weak.
If you are a believer in the Lord Jesus, you may find encouragement, and some understanding of an atheist’s worldview.
If you are an atheist, I would encourage you to read and consider my responses.  I seek to understand your position, and if you see a fallacy in my thinking, please comment.  I only ask that you focus your position to one point at a time, in order that I may respond (if I can) without unnecessary confusion.
My comments and responses are in red.

Music is a bit corny, and it seems he is reading some prepared text. And selling the Bible may be giving fuel to the implication of profiteering. He may even be an idiot. I don’t know.
The issue is whether or not the Bible’s message – that of the resurrection of Jesus Christ – is accurate.
If it is, then the implications are enormous.
If it isn’t, then Kirk Cameron (and all believers in the message of His resurrection) can be ignored.
Before you condemn it, read the Bible for yourself.
It is very surprising!!!
I’ve read enough of the passages to know they are stories that do not reflect an accurate amount of information. It’s like telling a story today and writing about it years later but not by you….the first passages were not written until approximately 50 years after a death of someone who was creating a cult (small amount of people) that would later grow to a religion. Just other religions before it starts with a few and if the message is enticing enough then more join and grow.
Unfortunately or fortunately as we understand more about biological, psychological, genetic, etc. influences it seems very unlikely for such a being to exist. I am biased toward the facts that are presented by repeated measures and not a single anomaly that only a select few can observe…and it’s a bit ludicrous to think that only a few countries in the world can pray and have a miracle happen…is it 5500/day in Africa that die from aids? And a majority of the population had been introduced to Christianity….but alas they still suffer everyday, why such selection? It just makes absolutely no sense if you look at the whole of things instead of such a concentric view of life.
Did Jesus rise from the dead?
The recording of the histories, the probability of a certain thing happening, (or person existing), and the suffering of untold innocents are merely sidebars to the issue.
By the way, what are YOU doing to alleviate the suffering of the dying?
It is easy to be an armchair critic, esp if your search for truth relies on “reading enough passages”
BTW, most of your arguments are very common distractions to the core issue of YOUR responsibility to search out truth. In the end, if you are satisfied with the above arguments, be content.
Otherwise, continue to search.
Be blessed, Friend!
BTW, as I reread your msg, I seemed to “hear” you link Christianity with a health and wealth prosperity gospel (ie 5500 die in Africa and yet introduced to Christianity)
I suppose the passages you read in the Bible didn’t include the many passages about believers suffering sickness, poverty, sadness and persecution. (BTW the Bible is rife with these passages!)
This apparent link doesn’t exist, and might hint at the implication that the passages you “read” might be select popular passages from a sunday school, or common discussion texts that are discussed in a group that heard about these texts.
Read the Bible. It may surprise you what you are fighting against.
Be blessed Friend

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Kingdom of God · New Testament

Jesus & Paul – Different Messages? Part 1

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In the past few months I have noticed that there are rumblings – at least in my world – of some internet folks trying to make out that the message of Paul is completely different that that of Jesus.

Never mind the fact that Jesus was dealing with a nation in the last gasps of it’s life and His pleading for their repentance, and Paul’s focus on “making that tent bigger for them dirty Gentiles” (See Isaiah 54:2-3)

Why is this effort to differentiate the two messages?

I don’t know, and at this point I am not concerned with their motivation, since I will assume the worst, which may not be fair.

Nevertheless, as I was browsing my computer bible study files, I providentially tripped over the following information. I must have found this info years back, and will not take credit for the compiling of the verses, but for the life of me, I am not sure where I found this.

The next series of posts will address different topics from the New Testament that both Jesus and Paul taught on, showing similarity in their teachings. My comments will be sparse, (unless they are not).

1. Both taught of the Kingdom

Jesus

Mark 1:15 — “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand.”

Matthew 12:28 — the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Luke 17:21 — “For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Paul

Acts 20:25 — “I have gone [among you] preaching the kingdom of God”

Acts 14:22 — “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”

Romans 14:17 — for the kingdom of God is…righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

A short post to encourage you with the consistency of the Word. May the Lord strengthen you and bless you as you seek His Kingdom.

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Faith · Repent · Uncategorized

Repent of Your Sins – Introduction

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A brother asked me recently to check the Bible for the phrase “repent of your sins”.

As the attached graphic states, the specific phrase “repent of your sins” does not occur.

So, obviously repentance is not required of sinners, and evil men have twisted the pure gospel.

What?

That is ludicrous!

Lets get so particular that all we end up doing is finding unjustified specific claims to justify erroneous teaching that is broadly taught throughout the Scriptures.

This is a common tactic of those who despise and hate the message of a loving God who is looking for those who will worship in spirit and truth. This is also a tactic that believers have been warned of for centuries.

I think Paul supplied some counsel on this, in stating the need to understand the whole counsel of God.

Acts 20:27

..I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.

I could go looking for many specific phrases that describes clearly indisputable doctrines in the Bible and come up blank.

Lets try “God exists”. Doh – Nothing, not one single verse includes that phrase. Okay, using the same logic as above, there is no justification for teaching this truth since the specific phrase “God exists” doesn’t occur in the Bible.

As my momma used to say, “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.”

I would like to suggest that repentance is an incredible truth that is required for both the lost and the saved.

Okay, now you’ve gone too far Carl.

I hear some of you out there thinking, why do I need to repent after I get saved? Or even, why do I need to get saved again?

Good questions! (I don’t think I could have come up with those on my own!)

As many of you know, I am an engineer by day, and love me them spreadsheets. Using this method gives me a high level view of the general teaching of the New Testament in relation to repentance.

So I retrieved all the verses that include the words repent and repentance in the New Testament, and compiled them in a handy dandy spreadsheet below.

Note that I used the Greek terms below to search for my verse.

Repent

  • Strongs # G3340
  • metanoeó μετανοέω

Repentance

  • Strongs # 3341
  • metanoia μετάνοια

One caveat about this spreadsheet.

I have categorized two groups of people that the call to repentance is given. Lost humanity, those that have had no relationship with the Eternal God of All. The second category deals with covenant people, and this is where I feel I need to explain some of my thinking.

The Lord Jesus came to a nation that was in covenant with the Eternal God and His focus in preaching repentance was two fold. First off, He was searching for those within the nation that did not personally know the Eternal God, and yet belonged to the covenant nation of Israel. An example may be Nicodemus.

As you may know by now, I found the remnant teaching in the Old Testament a few years ago, and it cleared up some questions I had. Very enlightening. If interested, see the “rant” in my post called Promises to Israel – 2. The Seed

Secondly He was seeking the nation of Israel (a covenant people) to repent of her ways nationally, and return to God. An example of this preaching can be found in Matthew 24 and 25, where He addresses the leadership of Israel.

In the spreadsheet below, I have identified those who were called to repent in relation to their status as covenant people first. Understand this group would also, for the greater part of the population, need to enter into a new covenant personal relationship with God through the Messiah.

If you are interested in taking this thought further, (and I am sure it can be taken further!) drop me a comment and I can send you a copy of the spreadsheet for your use.

I shall be posting the full verse lists for both of these terms related to repentance in the following days.

Who is Called to Repent?
New Testament Verse Strong’s # Covenant People Lost Humanity
Matthew 3:2 G3340 a
Matthew 3:8 G3341
Matthew 3:11 G3341 a
Matthew 4:17 G3340 a
Matthew 9:13 G3341 a
Matthew 11:20 G3340 a
Matthew 11:21 G3340 a
Matthew 12:41 G3340 a
Mark 1:4 G3341 a
Mar 1:15 G3340 a
Mark 2:17 G3341 a
Mar 6:12 G3340 a
Luke 3:3 G3341 a
Luke 3:8 G3341 a
Luke 5:32 G3341 a
Luke 10:13 G3340 a
Luke 11:32 G3340 a
Luke 13:3 G3340 a
Luke 13:5 G3340 a
Luke 15:7 G3340 a
Luke 15:7 G3341 a
Luke 15:10 G3340 a
Luke 16:30 G3340 a
Luke 17:3 G3340 a
Luke 17:4 G3340 a
Luke 24:47 G3341 a
Acts 2:38 G3340 a
Acts 3:19 G3340 a
Acts 5:31 G3341 a
Acts 8:22 G3340 a
Acts 11:18 G3341 a
Acts 13:24 G3341 a
Acts 17:30 G3340 a a
Acts 19:4 G3341 a
Acts 20:21 G3341 a
Acts 26:20 G3341 a
Acts 26:20 G3340 a a
Romans 2:4 G3341 a
2 Corinthians 7:9 G3341 a
2 Corinthians 7:10 G3341 a
2 Corinthians 12:21 G3340 a
2 Timothy 2:25 G3341 a
Hebrews 6:1 G3341 a
Hebrews 6:6 G3341 a
Hebrews 12:17 G3341 a
2 Peter 3:9 G3341 a
Revelation 2:5 G3340 a
Revelation 2:16 G3340 a
Revelation 2:21 G3340 a
Revelation 2:22 G3340 a
Revelation 3:3 G3340 a
Revelation 3:19 G3340 a
Revelation 9:20 G3340 a
Revelation 9:21 G3340 a
Revelation 16:9 G3340 a
Revelation 16:11 G3340 a

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Doctrinal · End Times · Hell · Judge

Judge Judge Judge – ἀνακρίνω – Study 2-A

Because of the CrossThanks for returning to this series on “Judge Judge Judge” and my feeble attempt to understand a believers responsibility and right to make judgments.

Another purpose of this series hopefully is to understand the believers restriction on judgement. 

What can a Christian judge?  How is he to judge?  What is prohibited in the Christian life to judge.  So many questions and concerns. 

Our second greek word related to judging is…

anakrinō

ἀνακρίνω – anakrinō – “examine, judge, ask question, search, discern”

This word is found 16 times in 14 verses within the New Testament.  A full listing of all verses may be found below for your self study.  I will consider the verses that are not clear, that create questions in my mind, with the remaining verses left for the reader to ponder.

Judging the Scriptures?

Acts 17:11

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Now I am confused.  Are the Bereans examining the Old Testament Scripture to see if it was true, (not likely – these folk were good Jews!) Or are they examining the OT Scriptures to judge whether the Apostles teaching lined up with the Scriptures?  I take it that the word they received was the preaching / teaching of the apostles and they were fact checking it!

This judgement/examining was not so much the determination of the Scriptures value or truthfulness, so much as sticking to the Scriptures and its message, and judging the apostle teaching against it.

Oh to have believers check out the preachers and teachers floating around today.  Those professional charlatans, seeking your attention, providing entertainment, tickling the ears of those without a basis to make any judgement.

Without the Word of God, there is no foundation of knowledge we so desperately need.  Without this knowledge, there is no standard that is required in order to make a judgement or decision on the worth of these so called preachers.

The modern church deserves these false teachers!

Are you brave enough to stand up for Christ in the midst of this adulterated modern church?

If you belong to a church that loves to be challenged in their teaching, that will consider your concerns and not simply accuse you of being divisive, consider yourself blessed.

If you belong to a church that sidetracks your questions, shames you into silence or refuses your freedom of conscience in matters of faith, consider your ways.

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Be a Berean.  Study the Word and know your faith.

With the knowledge you gain, stand strong in the Lord.  With the knowledge you gain, you are on your way to gaining understanding and wisdom from Him who has all wisdom and understanding.

But beware, for with every good work there is a trap!  With the knowledge you gain, walk humbly in it.

Micah 6:8

He has told you, O man, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God?

Thanks for joining me in this study.  Hope to visit with you in our next post as we continue to look at the Greek term ἀνακρίνω.

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Interpretation · Old Testament in New Testament

OT in NT – 2 Timothy

old_testament_law-450x300.jpg?format=originalHow did Jesus and the apostles interpret the Old Testament?

This post is simply a data dump of information for your struggle.

Find below a spreadsheet embedded into the post that lists  verses from the New Testament book of 2 Timothy and corresponding Old Testament references.

Good luck as you research each of the verses and try to understand Paul’s  justification for using the Old Testament passage the way he did.


 

16-OT in NT – 2 Timothy

 


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Coming of the LORD · End Times · Eschatology

Elements – Stoicheia

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Elements in the New Testament

My Ignorance

I remember in Sunday School teaching through the book of Colossians and coming up against this word “elements” (gk stoicheia), in Col. 2:8, 20-22.  Simply stumped as to what it meant.
I just skimmed over the word (shame on me!) and went on to something that was familiar.

Safe.  Easy.  Smart?

Since then, a lot of water has passed under the bridge, if you know what I mean.  Due to my willingness to be proven wrong (although sometimes kicking and screaming), I have come to the realization that I do not know it all. 

All you that are surprised by this admission, please raise your hands.

Eschatological “Elements“

Anyway, I was reading a passage on eschatology and the author addressed the new heavens and new earth in 2 Peter.  He showed that Peter used the word “stoicheia” when referring to the elements that would melt with fervent heat.

His suggestion floored me as to what the elements were and I promised myself I would research it some more.

What I found was the following essay addressing this very word, and the very concern I had.   

It has challenged me on many fronts.

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Dispensationalism · Doctrinal · Interpretation · Literal · Prophecy

Chatting with a Dispy – 15

mount-olives-split-2A brother in the Lord asked if I would discuss dispensationalism and Zechariah 14 with a blogger who owns a bible prophecy website.  I gladly accepted the inviation and will provide to the reader the discussion as it occurred.I have changed the web site owners name to “Brother” for the sake of his privacy, and each of my responses are italicized and indented for clarity sake.

With that introduction,  lets continue our chat with a “Dispy.”  We pick up in continuing my previous response to statements on his web site.

You can look at Colossians 2 in another way, why are you judging me for saying that the Feasts of the Lord are important? Are you not judging me in regard to the new moon, when you should not do so?  I refuse to let you judge me, so there!

I think you are having fun with me here, and that is great, but in case you took offense….

Why would you refuse rebuke?  As Christians, we should look for the Lord to be using His Word through other believers to mold and transform us into His image.  I am sure you want that for your life and refusing the Word is not a wise position to be in.

As a matter of fact, we are to judge those within the church!  1 Corinthians 5:12 states that Christians are not to judge those outside the church, but those inside the church.  (It seems we get that backwards very often!)

1 Corinthians 5:11-13

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

(BTW – I only brought up Col 2:16 to show that the feasts were of no importance.   I really didn’t intend any judgment on your beliefs, but since you reacted so strongly, you might consider the passage again! )

And yes, they are shadows of things to come!

Check your verb tense in the verse you are referring to.  I think you may be referring to one or both of the following texts

Heb 10:1

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Heb. 10:1)

Col 2:16 – 17

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

The previous verse are declaring the law (generally) (Heb 10:1) or the dietary regulations and religious observance of certain days (Col 2:16) as shadows of things to come.  Consider that the law was given millennia prior to the cross, and at that time, were prophetic of the time of the Messiah.

If that is so, then the feasts were prophetic to the nation of Israel, beginning in the time of Moses.

The seven feasts are:

  • Passover – Nisan 14-15
  • Unleavened Bread – Nisan 15-22
  • First Fruits – Nisan 16-17
  • Pentecost – Sivan 6-7
  • Trumpets – Tishri 1
  • Atonement – Tishri 10
  • Tabernacles – Tishri 15-22

The Passover feast is fulfilled in the crucifixion

1 Corinthians 5: 6-8

Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?  Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth

The Feast of unleavened bread seems to be implied in the above passage also, and is fulfilled as we live in sincerity and truth.

The Feast of the First Fruits seems to be implied as being fulfilled in many references to Christ being the firstfruits, or the early Christians as being “firstfruits”

Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Romans 16:5
Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits ·of Achaia unto Christ. 

1 Corinthians 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

1 Corinthians 16:15
I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

James 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Revelation 14:4

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

(As an aside – it is interesting that those described in Revelation, which I think you would identify with trib saints, are firstfruits, not last fruits!)

The day of Pentecost is a completed prophecy (Acts 2)

I do not know of any other statements in the New Testament that directly links a feast to a fulfillment.  Of course there are references to “trumpets” and any linking with the feast of trumpets is arbitrary to say the least since the scriptures do not specify any historical event.  The same goes for the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles.  (I would think the day of atonement might be associated with the crucifixion also, but that is merely guess work on my part. (and we do not want to guess!!!)


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